Posted by Kaapuikinaea on October 15, 2009 at 3:51am
The damn "quick add" feature on here didn't work so now I have to type everything all over again. Anyway, I posted a link or was trying to post a link of the recent crowning of Miss Hampton University, apparently there was controversy (self-induced or not?) regarding how she is the first non-black to win that crown. Apparently there was some back lash, the girl being from the islands wrote to Pres. Obama inviting him to come to the university & talk about racial tolerance. Is she fucking serious? I'm certain she wanted to make that, "ooh, we're from Hawaii..." connection. bunch of bull.Anyway, what bothered me is this statement in the article (sorry, you'll have to google it, I don't want to look for it now since I posted it but it never went through):Churchill told the news station at Saturday's Hampton versus Howard University football game that her mother is 100 percent Italian and her father is from Guam. In her letter to the president, she called herself Hawaiian.Why do people continue to be fucking ignorant? Sure, the most common accepted definition of "Hawaiian" is the US' imposed ethnic definition, but is she trying to be nationalistic and refer to Hawaiian as its true Nationality? No way, especially not after contacting Obama.What's worse is everyone else's abuse with Hawaiian as a regional definition, but cannot or will not do the same for people from Wyoming, Masschusetts, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Maine, Rhode Island, Idaho, Colorado, Illinois or Michigan. Why not? If they've never done it before, why can't they do it now but easily do it with someone from Hawaii? Is it because they sub-consciously know it has been used before for decades, over a century?Next time you hear someone say that, ask them why they say "Hawaiian" and what is their definition of it. If they use it as a regional term, meaning if they reply with "because they're from Hawaii", then ask why not for those places that I mentioned. I guarantee you they won't have a valid answer.
"We swear a lot, but as in expressions, not addressing it directly to anyone here at all! That is the big difference Lehua, and it was that action that made others react in that manner because you told me (or us in general) to fuck off. That's a whole different direction. Even at work I may use the F word expressively but never address it to my boss nor co-worker telling them to fuck off."
Aloha kaua e Kalani.
Or at least do it privately.
I'm not going to address Lehua Keawe since I ignore people like her which is very easy for me to do LOL Obviously she doesn't seem to understand that I wasn't swearing AT you... which she did.
I can tell that living in Virginia has changed her for the worst. Fortunately my twin sister and my nieces and nephew are not like that. They choose their words carefully because words have meaning.
Some children these days but she is a reflection of her makua and kupuna and she is making them look AWFUL. Unfortunately there are some Hawaiians like that.
Look at my cousin Boyd Mossman as a good example how they can treat their own cousins through Wakea and Papa THAT way so don't feel bad that she rambles.
You seem to be going off on a tangent quite a bit, addressing Lana but then at the very end mention my name. But it's ironic that you accuse me of something you tend to be doing yourself, so it really doesn't make sense to call the kettle black, 'ea?
As far as counseling me young lady, I can see why both Tane & Lana said what they said about you & reacted the way that they did. As I told them, it doesn't bother me though.
Unfortunately you continue to misconstrue my point of view of what I've written. Although your experience seems to mimic mine as in dealing w/ ignorant people, you habitually misunderstand or actually make assumptions, first that I come from Oahu (maybe you ignorant to read my profile) and then ramble as if I've been fighting with other Hawaiians. On the contrary, as Tane already pointed out, I put a lot of thought into things surrounding the issues, I'm not fighting other Hawaiians. Remember, you were the one who (as you admitted in the very beginning) came in here fighting, not us. And you tell me to send you a message privately? Perhaps you should've done that in the first place, doesn't that make sense?
You ramble on more than what you try to make it seem I was doing. And as for swearing from what you wrote, again another misunderstanding from what Lana was saying. We swear a lot, but as in expressions, not addressing it directly to anyone here at all! That is the big difference Lehua, and it was that action that made others react in that manner because you told me (or us in general) to fuck off. That's a whole different direction. Even at work I may use the F word expressively but never address it to my boss nor co-worker telling them to fuck off.
And Tane was right about the younger generation. Here you go in your 2nd to the last paragraph saying, "you like curse me? Go to one kahuna." Really now, how much more dramatic can these younger generation be? So silly. And where I come from, they didn't have to go to kahunas to curse. Do more research.
E Lehua,
No one is knocking down Hampton Univ. My father's 'aina ko'u & hanau was in Lahaina but raised on Molokai but never, ever has he called himself a Hawaiian as much as he loved his island home.
I can understand your distaste for categorizing island groups as if they were the same, esp. for me since I'm a very strong advocate of educating the meaning of the word Hawaii and what it does not mean. But all in all that's really no excuse to whine & write to the president in order to show how she has some type of connection & worse try to exotify herself by using "Hawaiian" to describe herself. Even I rarely use that term for myself in front of people but rather they may use it on me. And that's because I always identify myself by who I come from & where my family comes from rather than pick out these labels for attention. After all, that has always been protocol anyway, aole anei?
this kanaka can relate to that.unless that wahine was a naturalized citezen she is definetly not a hawaiian,Hawaiian is A nationality meaning allegience so if any one pledges their alleigence to Hawaii than they have that right and u know that Miss Hampton University has not taken that oath.fregin lolo up dea...has no idea and they suppose to be smart.what they teaching up dea in that university anyway?
That's just it , This was done to get more Mainlanders " Stettlers" to move to the Islands thru "HAULEWOOD" WHORING THEIR MADE UP HAWAII CULTURE AND DENYING US OURS.
ALL of these people whether they know how to speak Hawaiian or not know what they are doing. They want to be Hawaiian because to be Hawaiian is to be exotic (LOL) but when it comes to the responsibilities of being Hawaiian they don't want to be Hawaiian LOL
I didn't want to persuade anyone else's thoughts about this. lol This is exactly what I was thinking too & it bugs me to no end! Hate that! Hate it, hate it, hate it!
It's about respect. I do not care what language or if it has evolved or who it involves. RESPECT which of course some people do not seem to understand LOL
This is another thing, you should know, I constantly complain about. Why they gotta be insistent & be right? Why not just man up, take it like a champ & say, "ok, I was wrong." Even if they do admit it, they don't mean it, they're saying that to shut us up/pacify us.
As for the problem it's been around for a long time. We did have a discussion in the 70s over this problem.
E Kaohi, I didn't realize it stemmed from the 70s either. I remember hearing KANAKA & Hawaiian, the former being used negative sometimes, like how my Filipino grandmother did when she spoke of my my who is kanaka.
It's in the 8th paragraph from the bottom of the article.
You asked me if she is using it as a regional term or using it to recognize Hawaiian as a nationality.
These people who use it know exactly what they are doing. ALL of these people whether they know how to speak Hawaiian or not know what they are doing. They want to be Hawaiian because to be Hawaiian is to be exotic (LOL) but when it comes to the responsibilities of being Hawaiian they don't want to be Hawaiian LOL
F*ckers! It's about respect. I do not care what language or if it has evolved or who it involves. RESPECT which of course some people do not seem to understand LOL
Like with the hapa thing. Hapa is an adaption yet what did someone tell me, "What's the big deal."
I will not forget what he said. He is on my permanent sh*t list LOL
Excelent observation for a person identifying oneself with regional indentification, if one is serious about getting to the bottom of this problem check Kate Takahara at UH, I believe she is still there. As for the problem it's been around for a long time. We did have a discussion in the 70s over this problem. Hoala Kanawai (first to raise issue on revenues from ceeded lands) born in Hawaii than one is a Hawaiian like the person born in California is a Californian. That 'ian at the end of the Hawaiian and Californian are what led to the identification. Keep in mind Samoan football players were identified as being from Hawaii therefore the sports caster's alway callled them Hawaiian's. So what was the bottom line for our Na Kupuna that was in the thicket of Politics in the 70s and 80s? The studpid bloodquantum! Thanks for being on top of regional problems. Kaohi
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Aloha kaua e Kalani.
Or at least do it privately.
I'm not going to address Lehua Keawe since I ignore people like her which is very easy for me to do LOL Obviously she doesn't seem to understand that I wasn't swearing AT you... which she did.
I can tell that living in Virginia has changed her for the worst. Fortunately my twin sister and my nieces and nephew are not like that. They choose their words carefully because words have meaning.
Some children these days but she is a reflection of her makua and kupuna and she is making them look AWFUL. Unfortunately there are some Hawaiians like that.
Look at my cousin Boyd Mossman as a good example how they can treat their own cousins through Wakea and Papa THAT way so don't feel bad that she rambles.
Boyd Mossman rambles about himself too LOL
Latahs.
You seem to be going off on a tangent quite a bit, addressing Lana but then at the very end mention my name. But it's ironic that you accuse me of something you tend to be doing yourself, so it really doesn't make sense to call the kettle black, 'ea?
As far as counseling me young lady, I can see why both Tane & Lana said what they said about you & reacted the way that they did. As I told them, it doesn't bother me though.
Unfortunately you continue to misconstrue my point of view of what I've written. Although your experience seems to mimic mine as in dealing w/ ignorant people, you habitually misunderstand or actually make assumptions, first that I come from Oahu (maybe you ignorant to read my profile) and then ramble as if I've been fighting with other Hawaiians. On the contrary, as Tane already pointed out, I put a lot of thought into things surrounding the issues, I'm not fighting other Hawaiians. Remember, you were the one who (as you admitted in the very beginning) came in here fighting, not us. And you tell me to send you a message privately? Perhaps you should've done that in the first place, doesn't that make sense?
You ramble on more than what you try to make it seem I was doing. And as for swearing from what you wrote, again another misunderstanding from what Lana was saying. We swear a lot, but as in expressions, not addressing it directly to anyone here at all! That is the big difference Lehua, and it was that action that made others react in that manner because you told me (or us in general) to fuck off. That's a whole different direction. Even at work I may use the F word expressively but never address it to my boss nor co-worker telling them to fuck off.
And Tane was right about the younger generation. Here you go in your 2nd to the last paragraph saying, "you like curse me? Go to one kahuna." Really now, how much more dramatic can these younger generation be? So silly. And where I come from, they didn't have to go to kahunas to curse. Do more research.
E Kalani
While that girl at Hampton University disrespects Hawaiians by claiming that she is Hawaiian thus LYING which is not a good thing
Lehua is a bad example of the people of Hilo.
The ones whom I know do not disrespect Hawaiian elders the way that Lehua does.
You do NOT under ANY circumstances cuss at another Hawaiian whom you do not even KNOW.
This only goes to show you how disrespect crosses racial, ethnic, and nationality lines.
But wow. Lehua is not a good example of the people of Hilo.
My piko is from Hilo and we do NOT disrespect other Hawaiians whom we do not even KNOW... THAT way but swearing at them.
Other Hilo-ans whom I know SHOW respect for their elders too.
Lehua does NOT represent the people of Hilo the way that they deserve to be represented and that is that they have RESPECT.
Aue on her but good she posted her picture.
My twin sister lives in Hampton, Virginia. We are NOT knocking Hampton University.
I know people who live in Hampton and some who attend Hampton University.
But to call herself Hawaiian is to lie. That is NOT a good thing.
No need to tell him to f*ck off.
Then again you are like that girl. Bad example of the people of Hilo with that pilau mouth telling Kalani to f*ck off.
If you do not like Kalani's mana'o then do not read and do not respond.
In the ways of old YOU would be knocked out for speaking to an elder that way.
Learn some damn respect for Hawaiian elders and stop swearing at him.
Pau!
No one is knocking down Hampton Univ. My father's 'aina ko'u & hanau was in Lahaina but raised on Molokai but never, ever has he called himself a Hawaiian as much as he loved his island home.
I can understand your distaste for categorizing island groups as if they were the same, esp. for me since I'm a very strong advocate of educating the meaning of the word Hawaii and what it does not mean. But all in all that's really no excuse to whine & write to the president in order to show how she has some type of connection & worse try to exotify herself by using "Hawaiian" to describe herself. Even I rarely use that term for myself in front of people but rather they may use it on me. And that's because I always identify myself by who I come from & where my family comes from rather than pick out these labels for attention. After all, that has always been protocol anyway, aole anei?
I didn't want to persuade anyone else's thoughts about this. lol This is exactly what I was thinking too & it bugs me to no end! Hate that! Hate it, hate it, hate it!
It's about respect. I do not care what language or if it has evolved or who it involves. RESPECT which of course some people do not seem to understand LOL
This is another thing, you should know, I constantly complain about. Why they gotta be insistent & be right? Why not just man up, take it like a champ & say, "ok, I was wrong." Even if they do admit it, they don't mean it, they're saying that to shut us up/pacify us.
As for the problem it's been around for a long time. We did have a discussion in the 70s over this problem.
E Kaohi, I didn't realize it stemmed from the 70s either. I remember hearing KANAKA & Hawaiian, the former being used negative sometimes, like how my Filipino grandmother did when she spoke of my my who is kanaka.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_misshamptonu_1013oct13,0,22...
It's in the 8th paragraph from the bottom of the article.
You asked me if she is using it as a regional term or using it to recognize Hawaiian as a nationality.
These people who use it know exactly what they are doing. ALL of these people whether they know how to speak Hawaiian or not know what they are doing. They want to be Hawaiian because to be Hawaiian is to be exotic (LOL) but when it comes to the responsibilities of being Hawaiian they don't want to be Hawaiian LOL
F*ckers! It's about respect. I do not care what language or if it has evolved or who it involves. RESPECT which of course some people do not seem to understand LOL
Like with the hapa thing. Hapa is an adaption yet what did someone tell me, "What's the big deal."
I will not forget what he said. He is on my permanent sh*t list LOL
Excelent observation for a person identifying oneself with regional indentification, if one is serious about getting to the bottom of this problem check Kate Takahara at UH, I believe she is still there. As for the problem it's been around for a long time. We did have a discussion in the 70s over this problem. Hoala Kanawai (first to raise issue on revenues from ceeded lands) born in Hawaii than one is a Hawaiian like the person born in California is a Californian. That 'ian at the end of the Hawaiian and Californian are what led to the identification. Keep in mind Samoan football players were identified as being from Hawaii therefore the sports caster's alway callled them Hawaiian's. So what was the bottom line for our Na Kupuna that was in the thicket of Politics in the 70s and 80s? The studpid bloodquantum! Thanks for being on top of regional problems. Kaohi