Posted by Kaapuikinaea on February 19, 2009 at 1:01pm
Yesterday when I posted olelo noeau, it was because I wanted to, in response to actions that occurred a week ago concerning genealogy. I’ve always done genealogy on a “whim” sort of speak, not realizing why I took in other people’s genealogies, but I realized later that after I had done it, someone would be asking for information on their family line of which I had gathered through public records. Some cases, others will share their genealogy with me because they felt they could, and I would not publicly share that, but when asked of someone of related branches, I have seen how I bridged the gap, sort of speak to these missing links.I’d say that this has happened way more since 2007 more than ever. It’s just now, I’ve learn to accept that it isn’t my doing. I’ve always said to others, particularly Oiwis, that if their ancestors wanted to be found, they would be lead in that direction. And since then, I figured I am nothing more than their tool.So I prayed about it, asking for guidance when searching for these olelo noeau. And I posted them. They all had to do with genealogy, specifically chiefly genealogies and people trying to claim chiefly ancestry. And I found good ones. It just so happened when I wanted to post them, I was going through my new emails, and from one person in particularly, who has been emailing me multiple emails frequently just as all this mayhem began, I noticed it was something about the Princess Ruth. That was only one out of many things in that email, but that one particularly jumped out at me. I responded to the person who emailed me explaining what was said, pretty much in disappointment, more like anger really. What was forwarded to me was taken from a site/email of that person (Keliiole Seamepe). This is what was said in the email:Ruth Keelikolani's genealogies are documented in the historical newspapers and her father WAS NOT Mataio Kekuanaoa but Kahalaia. (means Ruth Keelikolani was a stepdaughter of Mataio Kekuanaoa and was NOT the only heir of Mataio Kekuanaoa; means the claims of the Kamehameha Schools Bishop Estates attorneys, trust(s) is a fraud, acts of piracies can be used against all of them, etc.Reference: KE KUOKOA, Honolulu, Okatoba 5, 1867/October 5, 1867 - the newspaper was published BEFORE the death of our ancestor Mataio Kekuanaoa; filed in the Kingdom of Hawaii records.This time, I noticed a source referenced, not precise, but still it was now, a cited source finally. Probably due to my encouragement, if not me embarrassing that person for not citing sources. In any case, I am taking a portion of that cited newspaper article.LINK TO KA NUPEPA - Oct. 5, 1867 (See 4th Column; No Ka Papa Alii Hawaii)2. Ruta Keelikolani ke kaikamahine a Kalanipauahi, ke kaikamahine a Keoua, ke kaikamahine a Kauhiwawaeono, ke keiki a Kekauhiwamoku, ke keiki a Kekaulike a ka Moi o Maui. O ka makuakane o Kalanipauahi, o Pauli Kaoleioku, ke keiki a Kamehameha I. A o na makua i oleloia no R. Keelikolani, o Luanuu Kahalaia a me Kaimihaku.So that segment of the article says, Ruth Keelikolani the daughter of Kalanipauahi, the daughter of Keoua, the daughter of Kauhiwawaeono, the son of Kekauhiwamoku, the son of Kekaulike, the Mo’i of Maui.Then the important part that I bolded says, And it is said for the fathers of R. Keelikolani, Luanuu Kahalaia and Kaimihaku. Ka Imi Haku was an epithet used for Mataio Kekuanaoa, the father of Princess Ruth. John Papa I'i goes into more detail in his book (Fragments of Hawaiian History) talking about the lineage of Kekuanaoa and the marriages of Kahalaia and Pauahi and also to Kinau and how Kekuanaoa wanted to marry Pauahi after he gets back from England.Basically, Kahalaia was considered a poolua to Ruth. Kekuanaoa seemed to have been the one recognized as the father, although the marriage of Kekuanaoa to PauahiHere's an article I found, stories of Keelikolani written by various people.http://www.hawaii.edu/biograph/biohi/ruthguide.pdfSome may mention what I just covered. It's good to know more about this very important alii.
Yeah, thought that about her too. Funny we don't even have to mention who we're talking about. :) I don't even think she matures, she just changes tactics. If it ain't working, she changes ...haha, all to get her pirates/usurpers/whatevers, etc.. message out there.
It does not surprise me that Ruta has two FATHERS... not "stepfather" as in the Haole World because the Oiwi World is significantly different.
Yes, good point, not as in a step-father. I think it was in Mary Kawena's book about Ka'u (hint, hint lol) where she mentions poolua. I mean, I know she does in that book, but I'm not sure if the example of Ruth came up in that book, or elsewhere. I'll have to look for it.
But apparently she wasn't the only case. Kahalaia was also one like that. One says that his father was Kalaimamahu, the brother of Kamehameha. The other says his father was Kahoanuku Kinau, a son of Kamehameha. That's because both KahoanukuKinau and Kalaimamahu were married to Wahinepio, the mother who gave birth to Kahalaia.
And in one of those papers as I was posting about Ruth or maybe the other stuff that happened before (basically the trash talk of me by others lol), I read the same for Pauli Kaoleioku, the father of Pauahi (Princess Ruth's mom) and Konia (Princess Bernice's mom). I've known for yrs. of Kamehameha and Kanekapolei being the parents of Kaoleioku, but in the paper there was mention how his was also disputed. I don't remember if it mentioned Kalaimamahu (same as I mentioned before) since he too was a wife to Kanekapolei, or well known chiefly husband - Kalaniopuu.
And then the same goes for Queen Emma's side. Taken from Aunty Edith McKenzie's book which she used the old newspapers. I am posting the English translation for those who do "research" and make a big deal out of that word but don't know how to read in Hawaiian. ;)
There has been much said by certain mistaken praises that Kaonaeha was the daughter of Keliimaikai and that he was really the father, and Kaleipaihala was the paramour. The writer lacks the knowledge whether it is a matter of regaining a high position since the tabus of these chiefs are similar, or Kaleipaihala's was superior since he was the son of Kalaniopuu; and Keliimaikai was merely a younger brother of Kamehameha I. Here is something else; this is a very humiliating thing in the ranking of Princess Kaonaeha in calling her a love child. Just like the Prince Kunuiakea, one of his ignorant attendants says that Kauikeaouli, namely Kamehameha III, was his real father; however, this was so in name only for he belonged to Kaeo. This is another embarassment smearing the prince.
And yet the other is mentioned to, Kaeo and Kamehameha III. That's b/c....the chiefs had multiple spouses and those spouses too acted like the makua of the child.
I still think that she is somewhat misguided in attacking those people who did not attack her. It shows a weakness of hers and that is probably why some people think that while she knows SOME things... she seems a bit mentally unstable which is sad because she seems to know SOME things.
I think that there may be some truth to that unfortunately, and some feel that I've crossed the line by thinking outloud in my blog even if I didn't mention any names, to....what in their eyes seems like I am attacking her, therefore they come in her defense but the only way to do that is by finding anything on me and turning it around. And trying to oki my piko in the process. Too bad I can't ever have it broken. The day that I die...guess what, that connection still continues!
In time though she will mature. Like He puko'a kani 'aina. One day she will mature.
Hahaha! Good one, he pukoa kani aina no hoi!
Just like that guy who wanted to get into my pants then lashed out at me for what... for nothing *LOL* Seriously look at him now... he's mature. Eventually she will mature too.
It does not surprise me that Ruta has two FATHERS... not "stepfather" as in the Haole World because the Oiwi World is significantly different. It's obvious that some people do not know what "na makua" means. That is the BASICS.
I still think that she is somewhat misguided in attacking those people who did not attack her. It shows a weakness of hers and that is probably why some people think that while she knows SOME things... she seems a bit mentally unstable which is sad because she seems to know SOME things. That's too bad too because one does not have to be combative in order to get things done for one's ancestors. One can do it with SOME manners and/or class.
And you KNOW me... I have Big Island roots and MAUI roots and was baptized in KA'U of all places. NOT A GOOD COMBINATION LOL Well that guy made me laugh when he called me "Warrior Girl." WTH??? LOL
In time though she will mature. Like He puko'a kani 'aina. One day she will mature.
Just like that guy who wanted to get into my pants then lashed out at me for what... for nothing *LOL* Seriously look at him now... he's mature. Eventually she will mature too.
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Yes, good point, not as in a step-father. I think it was in Mary Kawena's book about Ka'u (hint, hint lol) where she mentions poolua. I mean, I know she does in that book, but I'm not sure if the example of Ruth came up in that book, or elsewhere. I'll have to look for it.
But apparently she wasn't the only case. Kahalaia was also one like that. One says that his father was Kalaimamahu, the brother of Kamehameha. The other says his father was Kahoanuku Kinau, a son of Kamehameha. That's because both KahoanukuKinau and Kalaimamahu were married to Wahinepio, the mother who gave birth to Kahalaia.
And in one of those papers as I was posting about Ruth or maybe the other stuff that happened before (basically the trash talk of me by others lol), I read the same for Pauli Kaoleioku, the father of Pauahi (Princess Ruth's mom) and Konia (Princess Bernice's mom). I've known for yrs. of Kamehameha and Kanekapolei being the parents of Kaoleioku, but in the paper there was mention how his was also disputed. I don't remember if it mentioned Kalaimamahu (same as I mentioned before) since he too was a wife to Kanekapolei, or well known chiefly husband - Kalaniopuu.
And then the same goes for Queen Emma's side. Taken from Aunty Edith McKenzie's book which she used the old newspapers. I am posting the English translation for those who do "research" and make a big deal out of that word but don't know how to read in Hawaiian. ;)
There has been much said by certain mistaken praises that Kaonaeha was the daughter of Keliimaikai and that he was really the father, and Kaleipaihala was the paramour. The writer lacks the knowledge whether it is a matter of regaining a high position since the tabus of these chiefs are similar, or Kaleipaihala's was superior since he was the son of Kalaniopuu; and Keliimaikai was merely a younger brother of Kamehameha I. Here is something else; this is a very humiliating thing in the ranking of Princess Kaonaeha in calling her a love child. Just like the Prince Kunuiakea, one of his ignorant attendants says that Kauikeaouli, namely Kamehameha III, was his real father; however, this was so in name only for he belonged to Kaeo. This is another embarassment smearing the prince.
And yet the other is mentioned to, Kaeo and Kamehameha III. That's b/c....the chiefs had multiple spouses and those spouses too acted like the makua of the child.
I still think that she is somewhat misguided in attacking those people who did not attack her. It shows a weakness of hers and that is probably why some people think that while she knows SOME things... she seems a bit mentally unstable which is sad because she seems to know SOME things.
I think that there may be some truth to that unfortunately, and some feel that I've crossed the line by thinking outloud in my blog even if I didn't mention any names, to....what in their eyes seems like I am attacking her, therefore they come in her defense but the only way to do that is by finding anything on me and turning it around. And trying to oki my piko in the process. Too bad I can't ever have it broken. The day that I die...guess what, that connection still continues!
In time though she will mature. Like He puko'a kani 'aina. One day she will mature.
Hahaha! Good one, he pukoa kani aina no hoi!
Just like that guy who wanted to get into my pants then lashed out at me for what... for nothing *LOL* Seriously look at him now... he's mature. Eventually she will mature too.
:D
I still think that she is somewhat misguided in attacking those people who did not attack her. It shows a weakness of hers and that is probably why some people think that while she knows SOME things... she seems a bit mentally unstable which is sad because she seems to know SOME things. That's too bad too because one does not have to be combative in order to get things done for one's ancestors. One can do it with SOME manners and/or class.
And you KNOW me... I have Big Island roots and MAUI roots and was baptized in KA'U of all places. NOT A GOOD COMBINATION LOL Well that guy made me laugh when he called me "Warrior Girl." WTH??? LOL
In time though she will mature. Like He puko'a kani 'aina. One day she will mature.
Just like that guy who wanted to get into my pants then lashed out at me for what... for nothing *LOL* Seriously look at him now... he's mature. Eventually she will mature too.
Latahs!