Know your history and state the facts. Sometimes it's difficult to temper your arguments when they get ugly and insulting. Try not to go that route and fall down to their level. They're baiting you. I try not to bite but sometimes I fail. LOL... Kill 'em with kindness!Unfortunately, for geo-political and military reasons Hawaii remains critical for operations in the Asia-Pacific region. - AAThose are not legitimate reasons. The Kingdom of Hawai'i was recognized as a neutral nation and subject to the laws of neutrality......................................................Can I call you Whiz-Bang? Tell me - do you grow any bud on your half-acre, or is it all beach-front property?I'd think twice about killing my cash-cow if I were you.Cap'n DOC...It may surprise you to know that an overwheming majority do not grow any bud; as you say, some of us still have beach-front property which they are pressuring us to give up. Most of the bud growers are not Hawaiians but people from the U.S. continent and other ethnic groups. If you're bent on growing buds, then do it yourself; you got acres in which you do it anyway. Texas is a big country. LOL.................Got the same problem stateside with separatist tribal mentality's. What is it with the tribal mentality? I thought stone age cultures were proud independent and self reliant. _ Anonymous.Not when you cut off all their resources. Another thing, We are not a tribal people; we are nationals of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, a multi-ethnic mix within the predominant Polynesian Hawaiian mainstream society. Isn't your country a multi-ethnic mix within the predominant WASP mainstream society? Would you consider redneck a tribal mentality? all this labelling is unnecessary, don't you think?.............................I completely agree that we put Hawaii in a time machine and return the natives to their 1898 ignorance and let them go.And if that is not possible I would agree that the natives buy us out.All of it.Welfare, infrastructure, commerce, commercial development .. all of it.Every dang thang that came to them as a equal State of the Union.They can go back to 1898 with my blessings.Texas Gal.............Now you are showing your ignorance. What makes you think we didn't have those things before the invasion and criminal occupation by the U.S. Our independent nation was just as modern as yours in the 1800s. In fact our palace had indoor plumbing, electricity, and telephone while your White House was still using gas lamps, wash bowls and portable potties. By the time we became a state? Is that when you think we became modern? Get real! We kept up with the times, silly. If anything, you folks owe us for rent, criminal actions, and damages incurred. What you are suggesting is a ransom and extortion. Cute! You won't need a time machine since mentally you are locked into the 1600s......................................................................dw, you don't make any sense. There is much you don't know about us. As far as Japan goes, Hawaii was used as a pawn for Roosevelt to get the U.S into the war with the people's support. He already had troops in the Phillipines. What helped defeat the Japanese was the atomic bomb experiments they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.You shouldn't talk if you know nothing of our involvement with the family of nations. It wasn't "wanted to join" it was that we had joined and participated and well aware of how the world works during those days. We helped formulate the laws of neutrality and established ourselves as a neutral nation. We were charter members in the international postal services in Bern. We were the first nation to recognize the sovereign independence of Argentina. In fact, we were the first non-white nation to be part of the family of nations. We elected our last two Kings in Hawai'i.I guess you don't realize you are already under a tyrant's boot and that you are more exposed in being independent with dependency on international corporations whom you fight and die for who run and control your government. How come you don't realize you are enslaved by them? You haven't been monitoring your government too well.Back then, the only renegade country was the fledgling United States of America. The difference between Hawai'i and the U.S. was that we were a predominant Christian country that practiced it while the U.S. professed it but didn't practice it. We didn't undermine and invade any country as the U.S. did. The U.S. was troublesome to the Europeans.Just because we are a small country; doesn't mean we are backwards. That's your arrogant thinking........................................................................Navaldisaster -" I'll bet you are wrong, military folks have a confidence about them that is mistaken for being arrogant, condescending, and insensitive. Very few are disrespectful."I'll take that bet! Remember, I have lived here for 65 years; a hell of a lot longer than your 4 years in Hawaii. Many also forget that the Hawaiian population is about 26% and the rest are of other ethnicities, quite a few pass themselves of at being Hawaiian. Whites generally know only black, yellow, brown, and white. They can't tell the differences of ethnicity. Many confrontations were not by Hawaiians; but quite a bit have been. Quite a few of Hawaiians have married military men and women. So we are quite familiar with the mainland psyche and military psychology.One can ask people from military towns on the mainland and the dynamics are similar. Ask those around military bases in foreign countries and the situation is the same as ours, plus a cultural clash.It's all about attitude. It's difficult for whites in general to be aware of it because they are the dominant group, mainstream culture and society, in all the Anglo countries and in Europe. The doctrines of manifest destiny is imbued in your daily lives. Being pushy,out-spoken, insensitive, disrespectful, and "confident" as you say, are ingrained traits one may be not conscious of. It's part of the "master race syndrome" manifesting ethnocentrism.Since 1820, we have seen this "western" behaviour and the more contacts and settlers that began increasing in our islands, it became more notable. Although it has lessened a bit today, it is still alive and well. It was more pronounced at the invasion and occupation when American arrivals escalated; 1898 so-called annexation ceremony; the onslaught of more American arrivals; Military escalation; the unlawful statehood process; more American and escalated military arrivals with their mainland attitudes.We remember well the annexation celebration, the Massie Cases in the 20s, the drive for statehood, the uncountable racist assaults by American military men, and the "peculiarly perverse" American justice and scams that continue today.Despite this, we recognize good people from the U.S. and have brought them into our families, love and cherish them. Remember, too, haole means foreigner/stranger and not to mean only white people. That term can be used endearingly or disparagingly of a person. Look in the mirror and ask yourself which one fits you the best........................Any speculation as to which nation would be now occupying Hawaii had not the corrupt USA done so? - dwIt would still be Hawai'i. That argument was coined by U.S. President John Quincy Adams in 1826. He saw that we also had close relationships with Great Britain. France and Russia were vying to influence Hawai'i. and Germany and Spain was already in the Pacific as well. Under the Manifest Destiny doctrine, there was an understanding that whoever of the European countries including the newly-created United States of America, respected the claim of the country that first declared conquest of a non-recognized or indigenous, non-European country.The British were the first of its members to come to Hawai'i; but didn't formalize a claim because they had no control of Hawaii but established a relationship with it. British had sent out expedition ships while the U.S. sent out man o' war ships. Hawai'i was fragmented by eigth major islands and located in a remote part of the Pacific. There were too many influences in Hawai'i which made Europeans difficult to claim; so none did.Once Hawai'i put all the islands under one rule, King Kamehameha began to stylize his country along the lines of how the western countries aligned themselves and interacted. With the help of Capt. Vancouver, successor of Capt Cook, he began the transformation of his kingdom. By 1820, the Queen regent, Ka'ahumanu allowed the US missionaries to settle and teach the people more of the ways of the white people. Her son and chiefs learned more with the help of one of their missionaries. By 1839, the Hawaiian Magna Carta and the passage of the first written constituion, created a constitutional monarchy patterned after Britain whereby the King gave up his absolute monarchy and installed a tri-cameral legislation. During that time his Minister Ha'alilio and Secretary Richards secured recognition of sovereignty and independence of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Richards was sent along because of his familiarity of the white men and that they would be more receptive to him than a non-white. That was the beginning of Hawaii joining the Family of Nations who recognized each other's autonomy and inteer-relations. Soon Hawaii secured treaties with the major countries throughout the world who joined the community of nations, including the USA. It had over 96 consuls and legations world-wide and actively participated with them.
Yes, the difference is Texas was illegally annexed as a state; whereas Hawai'i was illegally annexed as a territory. Both done through unlawful domestic/internal resolutions without a treaty.
Aloha Tane, Well, I hope you were at least amused! But yea, you're right, sometimes we can get veered off course trying to educate uneducatable people. Oh by the way, there is a move by many Texans to pull away from the U.S. de facto private corporation. We've had a few come to classes here on Maui. You probably know more about this than me, it was the joint resolution I believe where Hawaii and Texas were involved. So, yes, there's a big movement going on there as well.
I know I'm going to sound really mean here but when I read their comments I see them as scared. That is the only reason they answer like that. They are lulled into a sense of security by the de facto U.S. (who are also de facto in the United States of America) but in their insides they know things are not right. The U.S. is bankrupt but Ko Hawaii Pae Aina is not. The de facto private U.S. Corporation is on our welfare role, criminals using our money to fund their agenda's. It'll stop soon, it's just that time.
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I know I'm going to sound really mean here but when I read their comments I see them as scared. That is the only reason they answer like that. They are lulled into a sense of security by the de facto U.S. (who are also de facto in the United States of America) but in their insides they know things are not right. The U.S. is bankrupt but Ko Hawaii Pae Aina is not. The de facto private U.S. Corporation is on our welfare role, criminals using our money to fund their agenda's. It'll stop soon, it's just that time.
Much Love and Aloha to you Tane and all you do!