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HOAILONA - haele mai e kae!
That always seems to get some stalkers' attention. Ano ai e Maka'ulani! NAU keia olelo noeau.
Pepe ka nahele o Upeloa, nawili i ka ua kakahiaka
This was an expression in chants referring to anyone who was humiliated. That means, not comprehending, acting stupid, acting out by posting in the forums, contacting Ken Conklin to post pics of the person(s) targeted and getting everyone else to jump in on the action.
When people make assumptions, and imply that well known scholars such as Kamakau had their work "tainted", which is something that some people have always claimed with "piracy". Or when you have people claim that we are making claims that genealogies are not true to go research it ourselves.
Had these people comprehend the context in its entirety, they would understand that some people just can't be trusted because they've actually seen genealogies posted, like here on MW and have now added it in to their own genealogy.
As the saying goes, Kai no he koa no ka la nui, he koa ka no ka la iki, referring to those who flee, the chicken $h!t. We've seen it before, people don't like confrontation and insists that they are right, that their sources are valid, and have to state the number of years of research that they've done in order to validate this. Of course if I were to grade this person I'd give them a D or F, but in return they whine, threaten with police reports or get the only pseudo-bodyguard that they can gather who hides behind a mask to come and fight to which turns into nothing but defamation rather than arguing the points, then incites others as a means of validating while their presence is here by saying "get mad", it really paints only one facet of their character. Cowardness. That olelo noeau sums it up, when someone runs, rather than fight. When I mean fight, I don't mean to post another blog entry as a means to show how tough or smart one is. They're not dealing with the problem.
With that said, anyone who ended up being wrong, becomes afraid. It's not the end of the world, man up, face your adversaries (if that's how you see it), and if you want to hide behind an icon that supposedly signifies bravery, or not sure what the message is really, then at least face your opponent, face-to-face. Hohe wale ka mea hewa.
Pepe ka nahele o Upeloa, nawili i ka ua kakahiaka
This was an expression in chants referring to anyone who was humiliated. That means, not comprehending, acting stupid, acting out by posting in the forums, contacting Ken Conklin to post pics of the person(s) targeted and getting everyone else to jump in on the action.
When people make assumptions, and imply that well known scholars such as Kamakau had their work "tainted", which is something that some people have always claimed with "piracy". Or when you have people claim that we are making claims that genealogies are not true to go research it ourselves.
Had these people comprehend the context in its entirety, they would understand that some people just can't be trusted because they've actually seen genealogies posted, like here on MW and have now added it in to their own genealogy.
As the saying goes, Kai no he koa no ka la nui, he koa ka no ka la iki, referring to those who flee, the chicken $h!t. We've seen it before, people don't like confrontation and insists that they are right, that their sources are valid, and have to state the number of years of research that they've done in order to validate this. Of course if I were to grade this person I'd give them a D or F, but in return they whine, threaten with police reports or get the only pseudo-bodyguard that they can gather who hides behind a mask to come and fight to which turns into nothing but defamation rather than arguing the points, then incites others as a means of validating while their presence is here by saying "get mad", it really paints only one facet of their character. Cowardness. That olelo noeau sums it up, when someone runs, rather than fight. When I mean fight, I don't mean to post another blog entry as a means to show how tough or smart one is. They're not dealing with the problem.
With that said, anyone who ended up being wrong, becomes afraid. It's not the end of the world, man up, face your adversaries (if that's how you see it), and if you want to hide behind an icon that supposedly signifies bravery, or not sure what the message is really, then at least face your opponent, face-to-face. Hohe wale ka mea hewa.
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Comment by Kaapuikinaea on June 1, 2009 at 2:19am
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I know, the GORAs (big bro & sis) threaten, and try to be intimidating by hiding behind icons, using the image of Kailimoku & expect people to be intimidated by that, saying that they descend from "some kahuna on Molokai". Ok, a kahuna can be any type of kahuna, but was that kahuna K__k_upu_m__aw_lil_ who founded hoop__p__? She was Kaiak__'s daughter and Kaiak__ was the one who became the kahu of Ka_o & P__. And K__k_upu_m__aw_lil_ hanai'd her brother Pe__ua's daughter Kaili___ of whom I grew up with some of their descendants, and other children of Pe__ua had married into various branches (Iaea) of my family. Kaili___ kept all that knowlede within the entire Pe__ua's family, his descendants. And I know for a fact that GORA isn't in the tree. I purposely wrote with dashes so that the iwi of these kupuna wouldn't be exposed for Big Brother and Sis to google and she will use it to attach (hoopili alii) to their genealogies. WAtch, see how much info. they come up and start posting and once they do that, I'll report them to my friends. And all hell will break loose on these GORAs.
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Comment by Ululani on May 31, 2009 at 8:27pm
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Ooh but KU is coming after you.
Since being online since 1989 I have never seen something quite so... HILARIOUS considering your roots LOL
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especially if one has Ka'u and/or Maui and/or Ho'okena and/or Molokai roots LOL
I think bu-ang has ties to Kau? OH wait, I'm thinking of someone else. But I have my Ka'u cousins, who, like yours, come from Hookena. Or vice versa, but in any case, we have relatives in Kau too. And Molokai, well, like I said, it's a community and as seen in recent yrs. they protect their community. So bring it on for those who think they can scare me. I don't scare so easily. Then there are those who come to my defense w/o me telling them anything. And they find out too. Na aumakua.
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Yeah, don't (mai) kaula'i the iwi of na kupuna. And yes, they did just that w/ Princess Ruth. But according to some people, what was printed in the media wasn't trust worthy. And what was printed in the paper was authorized by a reliable source
I can understand because oral history is more accurate but the written form was to ensure that the frauds would be caught when they came out trashing our alii yet they STILL don't get it.
how do we know hers isn't pirated as well?
To me... credibility is everything. The fact that she doesn't realize that she is bleaching the kings' and queens' bones speaks volumes. *You* just do NOT do that. Under any circumstance.
I know that it wouldn't matter to her, b/c of one main reason. Crown Lands, or what she sees as $$$ doesn't begin with Wakea & Papa. That's the bottom line.
Money yes and hmm now that I think about it... power. Ya dig the way she mistakenly thinks that people "fear" her. They are laughing at her hot mess and her trashing the bones of some of her cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa who are on her list of "pirates." She is trying to pirate power. Not gonna happen --- especially if one has Ka'u and/or Maui and/or Ho'okena and/or Molokai roots LOL
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motuahine I mean olelo matuahine
hahaha
Mai kaula'i wale i ka iwi o na kupuna.
Yeah, don't (mai) kaula'i the iwi of na kupuna. And yes, they did just that w/ Princess Ruth. But according to some people, what was printed in the media wasn't trust worthy. And what was printed in the paper was authorized by a reliable source, at least according to what they said during the time of Kalakaua when he made that decree to have someone gather the royal genealogies. Of course these royal wannabes or others feel that only their own research is valid, and those that some of us (like Aunty Edith McKenzie) have gone through records/documents that were pirated, etc.
I agree with the LoA too, so Umiamaka ma bettah be careful.
it never dawned on her that she is implicating herself as a pirate too
Exactly, if she can make that claim, how do we know hers isn't pirated as well?
She doesn't know about Wakea and Papa. I can tell. That is why she was so pissed off then reacted like a child because she is wrong.
I know that it wouldn't matter to her, b/c of one main reason. Crown Lands, or what she sees as $$$ doesn't begin with Wakea & Papa. That's the bottom line.
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Remember when he got upset b/c of what he seemed to perceive as Kealiikopehoolaha being cornered? What did he do? He posted a video of me, then said that I am exposed. Exposed? lol So now, rather than discuss the issue, he thought he was "exposing" me, when in the video I was only discussing my ancestors & their origins.
I remember that is standard to recite one's genealogy but I'm not surprised that he misinterpreted to mean that you were exposed. Many people already know who you are. If they have a problem with you being fluent in olelo motuahine I mean olelo matuahine then too bad! It's very clear that he doesn't understand that it is STANDARD to recite one's genealogy except do not expose all of the bones because some people like them will try to bleach and trash some bones. Just like how they said. What is it...
Kaula'i na iwi i ka la. To bleach the bones in the sun... and that's why SO many Hawaiians ignore her because she trashes oiwi online then files "police reports" with AMERICANS.. naming some HAWAIIANS in her "police reports" LOL
And wait I trying for remember...
Mai kaula'i wale i ka iwi o na kupuna. Do not dry out the bones of the ancestors... because some pilau people like him and her will come online to trash their bones just like how she does with Princess Ruta as well as with her cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa by naming them on her list of pirates thus implicating HERSELF.
Do not expose all of one's bones! Because pilau people like her who will come online to try to trash them. Aue.
As much as I dislike this guy, at least KEN CONKLIN shows his face. A bit too much sometimes, but he's not afraid. He's twisted too in what he interprets and is well known for it in the community.
It's been how long since Ken has been stalking me? I think it's been since 2000? Not once have I stated that he's obese or fat and yes he does not hide. Instead he shows his face... but I am not sure why he would WANT to show his face LOL The more he writes and the more pics of himself he posts online the more he exposes himself as some dude... who stalks me online and posts alot of inaccuracies. About me. About Hawaiians but gee... he should be like Tane, Ehu, Pomai, and Leon Siu and look PRESENTABLE like how they are before bashing me online LOL
Patrick Hannifin died during heart surgery. Ken's heart will burst when he dies too. He will be in pain in the afterlife where how you treat people on earth will return to you. That is why even though he looks big I never ever call him fat... even though he is. It's how one treats people. Law of Attraction LOL
I really think he has a thing for me though because like I told you before he propositioned me asking me if I wanted to be Friends with Benefits. I am still very much grossed out thinking about that!
I'm wondering, do they even know who these ancestors were? I hope at least the first two since their names are mentioned constantly in chants.
I think it never dawned on her that she is implicating herself as a pirate too because she didn't know about Wakea, Papa, and Haloa. That is probably why she is so pissed off, why she probably contacted Ken to post some pics of me, and why she left some comments on MY page which I ignore. It is not a coincidence.
She doesn't know about Wakea and Papa. I can tell. That is why she was so pissed off then reacted like a child because she is wrong. Since she is wrong about that she and Ken resort to the personal attacks instead of the ISSUES. It shows me how weak they are.
I had to laugh too at how someone told me that she stated that we need HER. You and I have been on our own since we were what...18. How ignorant. Like Ken. Doesn't even know that some of her cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa are on her list of pirates.
And to think... I am so haole yet even I KNOW LOL
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hahaha...your majesty? Better not let others here see that, they'll get pissed.
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Comment by J. D'Alba on May 28, 2009 at 8:38am
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One of the comments from the Producer who is interested in Beyond Wailea is the audience would be fascinated to know the history of Hawaii that the film would expose.
Your Majesty, please email me. Mahalo.
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It's like discussing the person instead of discussing the issue and that is when he and her lose credibility. It's called argumentum ad hominem which I sometimes refer to as argumenTATum (as in tatadhan) ad hominem. Instead of discussing the issues they discuss the person.
Remember when he got upset b/c of what he seemed to perceive as Kealiikopehoolaha being cornered? What did he do? He posted a video of me, then said that I am exposed. Exposed? lol So now, rather than discuss the issue, he thought he was "exposing" me, when in the video I was only discussing my ancestors & their origins.
As for Ku I don't mind when people post their mana'o but at least stand behind one's mana'o like a man.
As much as I dislike this guy, at least KEN CONKLIN shows his face. A bit too much sometimes, but he's not afraid. He's twisted too in what he interprets and is well known for it in the community.
Her with her criticizing some of her cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa
I'm wondering, do they even know who these ancestors were? I hope at least the first two since their names are mentioned constantly in chants.
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man up
Exactly. I am not surprised that though he posted some inaccuracies about me, Ken Conklin resorted to posting some pics of me very recently. It's like discussing the person instead of discussing the issue and that is when he and her lose credibility. It's called argumentum ad hominem which I sometimes refer to as argumenTATum (as in tatadhan) ad hominem. Instead of discussing the issues they discuss the person.
When I write it's not about how fat they are. Instead it's about the issue and about their content.
As for Ku I don't mind when people post their mana'o but at least stand behind one's mana'o like a man. I have to laugh that an implication is that "Ku is coming after YOU." Yeah... guess who your lines are.
Someone once told me that Hawaiians are ignorant. Every time they told me that I would tell them that they are wrong. However people like her and him disprove my stance. There are Hawaiians who ARE ignorant. Her with her criticizing some of her cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa on her list of "pirates" which implicates herself since some of her relatives through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa are on THAT list and Ku with his ignorance about who YOU are and who your ancestors are.
Like with Ken's histrionic post about me much of which is inaccurate... THIS is good. It is a blessing in disguise. It reaffirms what my alii grandma used to tell me when I was a little girl. She would tell me that some Hawaiians are ignorant. I would disagree with her. I would always defend all Hawaiians saying NO... they are NOT ignorant at all.. but as she and Ku have shown... she is right LOL
She and Ku are two VERY ignorant Hawaiians. My alii grandma was right. Fortunately to date they are the only two but I swear... my alii grandma would tell me things when I was little and I would say No grandma... they are not ignorant. Well come to find out that SHE and KU are.
Signs from my grandma. Thanks to her LOL THIS is good. Thanks grandma!
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