There's this guy named Eric on youtube who continues to reply to what I have to say. It started off basically with him replying to someone else who commented with Free Hawaii. What turned out was nothing but him trying to twist the truth (a la Kenneth Conklin), or worse, if anyone was really paying attention, just was flat out incorrect with the facts.Some of the things he said, usually in response to me giving him the facts were:1. (In my response to the Newlands Resolution has no jurisdiction outside of the US plus it started in the House of which is defined in the US Constitution what Congress can do) The Newlands Resolution was started in the House after being given consent by the recognized Republic of Hawai'i to take Hawai'i as a territory. I'm not saying it was correct since the people of Hawaii (All people) were not allowed to vote on whether they wanted to become a part of the U.S.Is he serious? A vote on this was irrelevant. There were protests, and the treaty was pulled, it never passed. Instead, they went with a resolution which has no jurisdiction outside of the USA's boundries, regardless if it requires a simple majority vote.2. (When I mentioned Article II, Sec. 2 & how only the Pres. can make treaties.) As for the President being the ONLY one to have the power to make treaties, it doesn't say he is the only authority. "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties".This was even worse than the last. I told him didn't he learn that in school about the US Constitution? It says in plain, clear English that the Pres has the power, not congress. It does say with the advice and consent of the senate, not the senate has the power with the advice/consent of the pres.3. (After I said how the US broke Hawaii's neutrality by specifying the landing of warships to refuel) Hawaii was a neutral (Republic) state in 1898, but had the right to allow U.S. warships to stop off for refueling to the P.I., if this had indeed happened, since President Cleveland, who was against the overthrow, had ordered all U.S. military personnel out of Hawai'i when the P.G. ignored Cleveland's orders to restore the Queen to power.Obviously he has no idea what neutral means, but to state something like this can be misleading. Neutrality doesn't mean it's up to Hawaii to allow US warships to stop for refueling.4. The P.G. and the Republic came into existence because of the cowardly acts of the annexationists. Regardless of how "low blow" it was to had overthrown the Queen's government, it is a fact she did relinquish the thrown & the P.G. was recognized by the international community, later the Republic was also recognized, therefore the Republic was legitimate. Coup d'etat´s happen every year in the world and that is what the overthrow was, a coup d'etat, initiated and carried out by Hawai'i citizens.His thinking is that the Republic is legit b/c the Queen was overthrown, a coup d'etat was carried out by Hawn. citizens.5. (Reponding to my comment as to exactly how many Hawaiian citizens were part of the Committe of Safety, which was in response to him saying #4 above.) Yes, it is true, only 3 were born in Hawai'i, and Lorrin Thurston, the main instigator of the overthrow was a Hawaiian citizen. So 9 were Haw'n citizens while others were foreigners, sounds like a coup d'etat to me.I'm not sure if he's trying to validate whatever he says by even being more specific, as in stating Thurston as the main instigator. Then he incorrectly takes the number I mentioned (6 Hawn citizens but only 3 of them were born there, the other 3 became citizens) and inflates it to 9.Here's an example of twisting of facts:6. What, to you, constitutes foreign? Non-Hawaiian ethnicity? If this is the case, take note there were many Hawaiian citizens in the kingdom who were not of Hawaiian ethnicity, notably my ancestor, Manuel Nuñez, who was the inventor of the ukulele.He replied to me mentioning foreigners and then starts to take my words and twist it. Although he is questioning what do I mean by a foreigner, and tries to point out how I am turning it into an ethnicity/racial issue, which wasn't the issue to begin with, rather we were replying to a video about Hawaii's history and the overthrow.7. After the overthrow all the embassies & consulates in Honolulu had formally recognized the P.G. as the legitimate govnmt of HIHe replied to me after I re-iterated how the R.O.H. was not legit and I said that just because the world or part of it had been lied to by the US that the they are the govt doesn't make it so.8. I didn't say coup de'tat´s happening elsewhere in the world is justification for what had happened in Hawai'i, just saying government's get overthrown frequently & the later governments were recognized as the legitimate government of that country.Actually, he did say that coup d'etat happens all the time around the world. Here it's like he's trying to retract what he said and say something else along the same lines. I haven't told him yet that the PG was neither de facto nor de jure.
Isn't that how it all started... with him stating "Hawai'i is free" LOL
You are so gonna laugh but as you already know he is on my Facebook and guess what? He invited me to join the group, "Be brilliant. Be Republican" LMAO
It has happened before with him when I don't hear from him, so I figured that was it. Then he comes back with more stuff, which seems like he is "researching", but not a la Her Highness Okole Pupuka...I mean puka. lol
Doesn't matter what Eric is. Definitely not Portuguese, and he says the State is a state, and Hawaii IS free. lmao
Is Eric still annoying you? LOL Sorry but I have to laugh.
Eric is a staunch Republican though sometimes he seems to twist the truth. What he wrote about Manual Nunez epitomized this key point because MY grandfather is the ONLY one who has documentation while the others do not so really... are you surprised? LOL Because I'm not. Also is he even Hawaiian by ethnicity or by nationality? No LOL
If it's the same Anakele... he gets some flack at the Honolulu Starbulletin threads sometimes but he doesnt let that stop him from doing what he has to do whether it is for educational reasons, defensive reasons, etc.
kaohi here, thanks kalani--I live in a genecidal community and see the depth of the problem everyday. It helps to read debates that have worth beyond the romance. We have to 'talk' and read text to close the gap between communities. I'm reading John Kneubuhl's "Think of a Gargen" play to keep myself sane. Also too, to develop a curriculum for my students. One more note, before the recent Supreme court case (sham) I sat and talked to Tani for days, not realizing (half listening) Bennet would raise the issue at the Supreme Court. I told him about you raising the issue and debunking the 'talk' and making it clearer. Mahalo
Anakele...funny you say that everybody learns from it, as my cousin just mentioned that yesterday in email to me, as we talked of other things, and I told her that I always tell people that even when I do get into these discussions, EVERYONE does learn something. And now you say that, as always i say these are signs. So thanks for mentioning that. BTW, my cousin mentioned EGO too. You're not telling me this b/c of a particular book you read, are you? :)
But you're definitely right and I agree with you. We tend to have diff. perspectives on the same issues, just as I've had disagreements with other Hawns. on topics where we seem to be on the same side for most part, but still our perspectives are diff. And now I realize we can learn from that, contrary to others saying that Hawaiians are always fighting.
Mahalo for your input, most importantly verifying things I've recently talked to other people about learning from others by gathering input from them, and the ego.
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You are so gonna laugh but as you already know he is on my Facebook and guess what? He invited me to join the group, "Be brilliant. Be Republican" LMAO
Doesn't matter what Eric is. Definitely not Portuguese, and he says the State is a state, and Hawaii IS free. lmao
Eric is a staunch Republican though sometimes he seems to twist the truth. What he wrote about Manual Nunez epitomized this key point because MY grandfather is the ONLY one who has documentation while the others do not so really... are you surprised? LOL Because I'm not. Also is he even Hawaiian by ethnicity or by nationality? No LOL
If it's the same Anakele... he gets some flack at the Honolulu Starbulletin threads sometimes but he doesnt let that stop him from doing what he has to do whether it is for educational reasons, defensive reasons, etc.
But you're definitely right and I agree with you. We tend to have diff. perspectives on the same issues, just as I've had disagreements with other Hawns. on topics where we seem to be on the same side for most part, but still our perspectives are diff. And now I realize we can learn from that, contrary to others saying that Hawaiians are always fighting.
Mahalo for your input, most importantly verifying things I've recently talked to other people about learning from others by gathering input from them, and the ego.