The View of the "Barbaric Nations" from England's Point of View

Which Nations Were Considered "Barbaric"?

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So, the answer is "the Indians, the Afghans, the Arabs, and the Circassians".

Let us review a timeline on the above:

Indians

American Indian Wars
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An 1899 chromolithograph of US cavalry pursuing Native Americans, artist unknown
Date 1622–1924 (intermittent)
Location North America, United States
Result Sovereignty of United States of America extended to its present borders; Indian reservation system established by various treaties with individual tribes.
Belligerents
Native Americans  Kingdom of England(1622–1707)
  • English America

 Kingdom of Great Britain (1707–1783)

 United States (1783–1924)
 Confederate States of America (1861–1865)

Texas Republic of Texas(1836–1846)

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The Afghans

Origin of the names Afghan and Afghana[edit source | editbeta]

Tents of Afghan nomads in Badghis Province of Afghanistan who are known inPashto language as Kuchans. They mostlyGhilzais and migrate from region to region depending on the season. Early peasant farming villages came into existence inAfghanistan about 7,000 years ago.[7]
Newly excavated Buddhist stupa at Mes Aynak in Logar Province of Afghanistan. Similar stupas have been discovered in neighboring Ghazni Province, including in the northern Samangan Province.
Names of territories during the IslamicCaliphate of the 7th century and onward.

The earliest mention of the name Afghan (Abgân) is by Shapur I of the Sassanid Empireduring the 3rd century CE,[4][8][9] which is later recorded in the 6th century in the form of"Avagānā" by the Indian astronomer Varāha Mihira in his Brihat-samhita.[10] It was used to refer to a common legendary ancestor known as "Afghana", grandson of King Saul of Israel.[1][11]

The Encyclopædia Iranica explains:[10]

"From a more limited, ethnological point of view, "Afġān" is the term by which the Persian-speakers of Afghanistan (and the non-Paštō-speaking ethnic groups generally) designate the Paštūn. The equation [of] Afġān [and] Paštūn has been propagated all the more, both in and beyond Afghanistan, because the Paštūn tribal confederation is by far the most important in the country, numerically and politically. The term "Afġān" has probably designated the Paštūn since ancient times. Under the form Avagānā, this ethnic group is first mentioned by the Indian astronomer Varāha Mihira in the beginning of the 6th century in his Brhat-samhita."

Hiven Tsiang, a Chinese Buddist pilgrim visiting the Afghanistan area several times between 630 to 644 CE, speaks about the native tribes inhabiting the region.[8][12] According to scholars such as V. Minorsky, W.K. Frazier Tyler and M.C. Gillet, the word Afghan has appeared in the 982 Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam, where a reference is made to a village.

"Saul, a pleasant village on a mountain. In it live Afghans".[13]

Saul was probably located near Gardez, in the Paktia province of Afghanistan.[13] Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam also speaks of a king in "Ninhar" (Nangarhar), who shows a public display of conversion to Islam, even though he has over 30 wives, which are described as "Muslim, Afghan, and Hindu" wives. It should be noted that some of these names were used as geographical terms. For example, Hindu (or Hindustani) has been used historically as ageographical term to describe someone who was native from the region known as Hindustan(Indian subcontinent).

Al-Utbi, the Ghaznavid chronicler, in his Tarikh-i Yamini records that many Afghans and Khiljies (possibly modern Ghilzais) enlisted in the army of Sabuktigin after Jayapala was defeated.

"The Afghans and Khiljies who resided among the mountains having taken the oath of allegiance to Subooktugeen, many of them were enlisted in his army, after which he returned in triumph to Ghizny."[14]

Al-Utbi further states that Afghans and Ghilzais made a part of Mahmud Ghaznavi's army and were sent on his expedition to Tocharistan, while on another occasion Mahmud Ghaznavi attacked and punished a group of opposing Afghans, as also corroborated byAbulfazl Beyhaqi.[15] In the 11th century, Afghans are mentioned in Al-Biruni's Tarikh-ul Hind("History of India"), which describes groups of rebellious Afghans in the tribal lands west of the Indus River in what is today Pakistan.[13][16] It is recorded that Afghans were also enrolled in the Ghurid Kingdom (1148–1215).[17] By the beginning of the Khilji dynasty in 1290, Afghans have been well known in northern India. Ibn Battuta, a famous Moroccantraveler, visiting Afghanistan following the era of the Khilji dynasty in 1333 writes.

"We travelled on to Kabul, formerly a vast town, the site of which is now occupied by a village inhabited by a tribe of Persians called Afghans. They hold mountains and defiles and possess considerable strength, and are mostly highwaymen. Their principal mountain is called Kuh Sulayman. It is told that the prophet Sulayman [Solomon] ascended this mountain and having looked out over India, which was then covered with darkness, returned without entering it."[18]
Ibn Battuta1333

A 16th-century Muslim historian writing about the history of Muslim rule in India states:

"He [Khalid bin Abdullah son of Khalid bin Walid] retired, therefore, with his family, and a number of Arab retainers, into the Sulaiman Mountains, situated between Multan and Peshawar, where he took up his residence, and gave his daughter in marriage to one of the Afghan chiefs, who had become a proselyte to Mahomedism. From this marriage many children were born, among whom were two sons famous in history. The oneLodhi, the other Sur; who each, subsequently, became head of the tribes which to this day bear their name. I have read in the Mutla-ul-Anwar, a work written by a respectable author, and which I procured at Burhanpur, a town of Khandesh in theDeccan, that the Afghans are Copts of the race of the Pharaohs; and that when the prophet Moses got the better of that infidel who was overwhelmed in the Red Sea, many of the Copts became converts to the Jewish faith; but others, stubborn and self-willed, refusing to embrace the true faith, leaving their country, came to India, and eventually settled in the Sulimany mountains, where they bore the name of Afghans."[1]
Ferishta1560-1620

In the writings of the 17th-century Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak, it states "Pull out your sword and slay any one, that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one! Arabs know this and so do Romans: Afghans are Pashtuns, Pashtuns are Afghans!"[19]

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The Arabs

Arabs
العرب
Al-ʿArab
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Total population
approx. 422 million[1]
Regions with significant populations
 Arab League 402,000,000[2]
 Brazil 15,000,000–17,000,000[3]
 Argentina 1,300,000–3,300,000[4][5]
 United States 2,466,874[6]
 France 1,500,000–2,000,000[7][8]
 Iran 700,000 – 2,000,000[9]
 Israel 1,500,000
 Mexico 1,100,000[10]
 Spain 800,000[11]
 Turkey 500,000[12]
 Australia 375,000[13]
Languages
ArabicModern South Arabian,[14][15] varieties of Arabic
Religion
Predominantly Islam
Largest minority: Christianity; other religions
Related ethnic groups

Other Semitic peoples and various Afro-Asiatic peoples

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The Circassians

Circassians
Адыгэ
Flag of Adygea.svg
The Circassian Flag
Total population
4 million,[1] 5-8 million[2]
Regions with significant populations
 Turkey 140,000[3] - 3,000,000[4] [5]
 Jordan 60,000[6]
 Syria 120,000[7]
 Russia 900,000[8]
[7]
 Germany 40,000[9]
[10]
 United States 25,000[1]
 Israel 4,000[11]
 Ukraine 1,010[9]
[12]
 Bulgaria 500[13]
 Netherlands 500[9]
Languages
Circassian
also TurkishArabicRussian
Religion
Sunni Muslim
minority HabzeOrthodox ChristianCatholic
Related ethnic groups

AbkhazAbazaKabardayUbykh

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Summary

The above ancient societies were deemed barbaric in 1844 by the English and others claiming to be the "civilized nations".

It is now the year 2013 and the English along with other "civilized nations" continue to keep the above nations at bay while considering them "barbaric" nations still.

With the ongoing criminal Plundering Upon Innocents by assuming these nations lands, resources, assets by the so called "civilized nations" for 169 years, disregarding the accomplishments, progresses made by these targeted nations.... the question is...................Who (really) are the "barbaric nations"?

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBvLDYWqHw  What the World Needs Now

note:  This is an Anti War Message by the House of Nobles, Hawaiian Kingdom, a neutral, friendly, non-violent nation

References:  Chronicling American article, Wikipedia

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Consider the fact that the Indians, Arabs, et. als. have been determined to be "barbaric" for more than 169 years...........and yet, we know who the REAL barbarians are!......

The View of the "Barbaric Nations" from England's Point of View
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Which Nations Were Considered Barbaric ? The following article came out of Chroniclingamerica.com website: Polynesian. (Honolulu [Oahu], Hawaii) 1844-1864, S…
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Polynesian. (Honolulu [Oahu], Hawaii) 1844-1864, September 12, 1846, Page 68, Image 2
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Polynesian. (Honolulu [Oahu], Hawaii) 1844-1864, September 12, 1846, Page 68, Image 2, brought to you by University of Hawaii at Manoa; Honolulu, HI, and the National Digital Newspaper Program.

What is missing are letters and journals of individual, independent sailors from England who were on the ships to Hawaii (Sandwich Islands) who wrote of their impressions of their visit during Cook and Vancouver's sojourns.  They were impressed of the highly civilized Hawaiian society with their cultivation of crops and structure of governance and laws, orderly conduct, warfare, organization and civility, openness and friendliness.

 

The other factor is that King George wasn't interested in colonization of the islands and agreed to a protectorate status for the islands and recognized the autonomy of Kamehameha the great, his government,  laws, customs, and form of governance.  Thus, the doctrines of terra nullius and discovery did not apply; Divine right went unchallenged along with the recognition of the Hawaiian Kingdom's existence.  The relationship with Great Britain was amicable. 

 

The purpose of the Union Jack on the Hawaiian flag was used as leverage internationally to caution and make other nations aware of the recognition and protectorate agreement between the two countries to stave off any other nation to invade the Hawaiian Kingdom who would try to claim the islands for themselves.  In 1818, the Hawaiian Kingdom became the first nation to recognize the sovereign independence of Argentina. 

 

Vancouver became an intimate friend of Kamehameha and Ka'ahumanu of which Kamehameha picked his brains and took advice as well as help.  Because of Vancouver's friendship, he would act as mediator between Kamehameha and Ka'ahumanu whenever they had jealousy spats and disagreements while he was there on visits.   Vancouver kept in close contact with them even when he was away from the islands.; they had a lasting friendship.

hi Tane,

Thank you for your post.........the English through Vancouver did maintain a lasting friendship up until Kamehameha died in 1819.

The period of the above article was during the lifetime of Kamehameha III - Kauikeouli, and the article begins with the Independence of the Hawaiian Kingdom, a recognized nation:

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Note that this article also recognizes the Independence of the  Hawaiian Kingdom by England in 1846.

Then President Tyler did recognize the Hawaiian Government in 1851 and signed the Permanent Treaty of Friendship with Kamehameha III, his heirs and successors..........and Kamehameha III's descendants exists as found in the recent months genealogy researches.

See the following article posted on another thread:

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As a note to Obama, Hanabusa, et. als.:

Read the above instructions which were documented by U.S. President Tyler, his message to the Senate and House of Representatives in 1851 which states:

"No individuals have the right to hazard the peace of the countries or violate the laws upon vague notions of altering or reforming governments in other states ......"

The above article was printed in 1851.

The Permanent Treaty of Friendship was signed by U.S. President Tyler in 1849  with his Secretary of State and Kamehameha III - Kauikeouli, affecting his descendants, heirs.

See the U.S. and other Treaties at  :  http://www.pixi.com/~kingdom/hawaiis.html  

Treaties of the Government of the Hawaiian Islands 
with other Nations of the World

Universal Postal Union

Additional References:

Thanks to the 1849 Hawaiian Treaty the 1849 U.S. Constitution LOCKS IN Freedoms for Americans

by Amelia Gora 
(Honolulu, Hawaiian Kingdom)




Hawaiian Kingdom and U.S./United States/

United States of America
1849 "Perpetual" Treaty, etc. 

Summary
by Amelia Gora (2012)
The Hawaiian Kingdom and the U.S./United States/United States of America's Perpetual Friendship Treaty, etc. continues, remains in effect, signed, approved by the parties involved which made up of the President, Secretary of State, approved by the Senate, House of Representatives or Congress and the Sovereign/Kauikeouli - Kamehameha III, His heirs and successors (of the blood/koko) through his Representative because the Hawaiian Kingdom is made up of three branches: 1) Sovereign - heirs and successors (one of the two Permanent branches); 2) House of Nobles - heirs and successors (second of the two Permanent branches) -descendants/heirs who were connected through genealogies with the Sovereign; and the voted in part 3) House of Representatives - this was a temporary group which conspired, were treasonous and moved to begin the Provisional Government, turned Republic of Hawaii, then annexed by the U.S., turned Territory of Hawaii, and State of Hawaii with documented Oppositions from the Sovereign, Queen Liliuokalani and her subjects of the Hawaiian Kingdom who formed a new House of Representatives.
The Treaty of 1849 locks in the U.S. Constitution which involves only the 30 States who existed at that time.
Today, the U.S. Constitution along with the Treaty of 1849 remains a Perpetual setup securing the majority of the States, 30 States, called the United States/U.S./U.S.A./United States of America remains in effect.
The 30 States locked into the Treaty, and the U.S. Constitution:
STATE
NAME
STATEHOOD
DATE/ORDER
PRE-STATEHOOD
NOTES
Delaware Dec. 7, 1787
1 st The first of the original 13 colonies.
Pennsylvania Dec. 12, 1787
2 nd The second of the original 13 colonies.
New Jersey Dec. 18, 1787
3 rd The third of the original 13 colonies.
Georgia Jan. 2, 1788
4 th The fourth of the original 13 colonies
Connecticut Jan. 9, 1788
5 th The fifth of the original 13 colonies.
Massachusetts Feb. 6, 1788
6 th The sixth of the original 13 colonies
Maryland April 28, 1788
7 th The seventh of the original 13 colonies.
South Carolina May 23, 1788
8 th The eighth of the original 13 colonies.
New Hampshire June 21, 1788
9 th The ninth of the original 13 colonies
Virginia June 25, 1788
10 th The 10th of the original 13 colonies.
New York July 26, 1788
11 th The 11th of the original 13 colonies.
North Carolina Nov. 21, 1789
12 th The 12th of the original 13 colonies.
Rhode Island May 29, 1790
13 th The 13th of the original 13 colonies.
Vermont March 4, 1791
14 th Until statehood, had been a region claimed by both New York and New Hampshire
Kentucky June 1, 1792
15 th Never a territory, it was part of Virginia until statehood.
Tennessee June 1, 1796
16 th Was Southwest Territory before statehood.
Ohio March 1, 1803
17 th Was part of the Northwest Territory until statehood.
Louisiana April 30, 1812
18 th With certain boundary changes, had been the Territory of Orleans.
Indiana Dec. 11, 1816
19 th There was a residue of Indiana Territory that continued to exist under that name until Dec. 3, 1818, when it was attached to Michigan Territory.
Mississippi Dec. 10, 1817
20 th Territory by Act of April 7, 1798, effective May 7, 1798.
Illinois Dec. 3, 1818
21 st .
Alabama Dec. 14, 1819
22 nd Territory by Act of March 3, 1817, effective Aug. 15, 1817.
Maine March 15, 1820
23 rd What is now the state of Maine was, before statehood, called the District of Maine and belonged to Massachusetts.
Missouri Aug. 10, 1821
24 th The state was much smaller than the territory. The area to the west and northwest of the state, which had been in the territory, was commonly known as the "Missouri Country" until May 30, 1854, and certain of the post offices in this area show a Missouri abbreviation in the postmark.
Arkansas June 15, 1836
25 th The territory was larger than the state. After statehood the leftover area to the west had post offices that continued for some years to use an Arkansas abbreviation in the postmarks, although they were really in the "Indian Country."
Michigan Jan. 26., 1837
26 th .
Florida March 3, 1845
27 th .
Texas Dec. 29, 1845
28 th Was an independent republic before statehood.
Iowa Dec. 28, 1846
29 th .
Wisconsin May 29, 1848
30 th The state is smaller than the territory and the leftover area continued to be called the Territory of Wisconsin until March 3, 1849.
Reference: http://www.50states.com/statehood.htm?sort_by_date#.UEjvEMFlSXs
The other additional/added 20 new States (including the Republic of Hawaii) were not part of the Treaty. Depending on what was written in their Constitution when their State was formed, they may or may not be included in the perpetual agreement. 


In the case of the Hawaiian Kingdom and the Republic of Hawaii, both have different authorities, and one is a Nation vs. the other a set up, premeditated State supported by the U.S., England, Morgan bankers (includes Bank of England) based on the 1822 Secret Treaty of Verona pact, 1918 Congressional discussion with the States - 30 with the Perpetual Treaty and the newly added 18 States which remained a minority of States.
The Republic of Hawaii turned Territory of Hawaii then State of Hawaii with Oppositions every step of the way became the 50 th State by Presidential Executive Order behind of the 49th State of Alaska, both bodies of land being disconnected/disjointed/non-contiguous from the U.S. Nation and cannot normally be called United States/U.S./United States of America based on the failure to be identified as a contiguous land mass associated with States being United, a Nation recognized under the Law of Nations.
The added 18 States from 1850 through 1912 became the "Newstates" added to the U.S. Constitution. The 18 States were: 
California Sept. 9, 1850
31 st Ceded by Mexico by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, concluded Feb. 2, 1848, and proclaimed July 4, 1848. From then until statehood, California had a military government until Dec. 20, 1849, and then a local civil government. It never had a territorial form of government.
Minnesota May 11, 1858
32 nd .
Oregon Feb. 14, 1859
33 rd .
Kansas Jan. 29, 1861
34 th .
West Virginia June 20, 1863
35 th Was part of Virginia until statehood.
Nevada Oct. 31, 1864
36 th .
Nebraska March 1, 1867
37 th .
Colorado Aug. 1, 1876
38 th .
North Dakota Nov. 2, 1889
39 th or 40 th Was part of Dakota Territory before statehood. Admitted on same day as South Dakota
South Dakota Nov. 2, 1889
39 th or 40 th Was part of Dakota Territory before statehood. Admitted on same day as North Dakota
Montana Nov. 8, 1889
41 st .
Washington Nov. 11, 1889
42 nd .
Idaho July 3, 1890
43 rd .
Wyoming July 10, 1890
44 th .
Utah Jan. 4, 1896
45 th .
Oklahoma Nov. 16, 1907
46 th The state was formed from Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory.
New Mexico Jan. 6, 1912
47th .
Arizona Feb. 14, 1912
48 th This region was sometimes called Arizona before 1863, although it was still in the Territory of New Mexico.
Reference: http://www.50states.com/statehood.htm?sort_by_date#.UEjvEMFlSXs
In 1916, Congressional Notes records that the issues of the 1822 Secret Treaty of Verona was discussed.
The momentum or the Plan since 1822 was a "One World Order", "New World Order".

see and view the youtube.com video:

1916 - Congress Record - Sen. Owen Treaty of Verona - YouTube 

► 4:32► 4:32
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UBXHSFr4bw
Jan 16, 2009 - 5 min - Uploaded by ForgottenHistoryUSA
written in 1919 by Senator Owen, where he again warns of theSecret Treaty of Verona. Senator Robert L ...
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Two More States Added:
Alaska Jan. 3, 1959
49 th A district from Oct. 18, 1867, until it became an organized territory Aug. 24, 1912.
Hawaii Aug. 21, 1959
50 th The territorial date Aug. 12, 1898 is that of the formal transfer to the United States, with Sanford B. Dole as first Governor.
Source: Scott Stamp Monthly (April 1998)
Reference: http://www.50states.com/statehood.htm?sort_by_date#.UEjvEMFlSXs
States Under Duress, Stress, Coercion, Usurpation
Due to the Financial duress that all 50 States bear for Wars, Plundering Upon Innocents, with the goals of One World Order through the 1822 Secret Treaty of Verona, an additional Constitution approved in 1980 by all 50 States Senators and House of Representatives, this Second Constitution is called the “Constitution For the Newstates Of The United States.”
see: http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/GORA8037 and see Legal Research by John Nelson

Nevertheless, Kenyan born Obama puts out the "tradition based" Executive Orders from Washington, D.C., an area that is not even part of the United States and upholds the Financial "Constitution For the Newstates Of The United States" while the 1849 Perpetual Treaty with the Hawaiian Kingdom and the U.S. Constitution exists with the majority of the States remains in place to this day.

The Hawaiian Kingdom exists today because the Sovereigns heirs, descendants of Successors, House of Nobles descendants, heirs of the Permanent branches exists today, which also means that the Crown Lands are owned by the Sovereign, House of Nobles, Heirs/descendants/ Successors whose ancestor Kamehameha did form the Hawaiian Kingdom, and these lands are not the "ceded lands", etc. 

Additionally, the alodio/ano alodio system remains, which means all kanaka maoli have the true titles to the lands, etc.

aloha.

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September 7, 2012 at 03:24:40

Why the U.S. Constitution of 1849 Remains Unaffected....because of the Perpetual Treaty With the Hawaiian Kingdom

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President Obama Changed the "Newstates" Constitution because the U.S. Constitution of 1849 is LOCKED in place due to the Perpetual Treaty with the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1849.

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Scrutinizing the PERPETUAL TREATY(IES) With the U.S./United States of America And Their Constitution

   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gqexDy2UHg

As a result of the recognition of Hawaiian independence since 1842 the Hawaiian Kingdom entered into treaties with the major nations of the world and had established over ninety legations and consulates in multiple seaports and cities.

Reference:  http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/treaties.shtml
US TREATY WITH THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS, DEC. 20, 1849

Treaty signed at Washington December 20, 1849 Senate advice and consent to ratification January 14, 1850
Ratified by the President of the United States February 4, 1850
Ratified by the Hawaiian Islands August 19, 1850
Ratifications exchanged at Honolulu August 24, 1850
Entered into force August 24, 1850

The United States of America and His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, equally animated with the desire of maintaining the relations of good understanding which have hitherto so happily subsisted between their respective states, and consolidating the commercial intercourse between them, have agreed to enter into negotiations for the conclusion of a Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation, for which purpose they have appointed plenipotentiaries, that is to say:

The President of the United States of America, John M. Clayton, Secretary of State of the United States; and His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, James Jackson Jarves, accredited as his Special Commissioner to the Government of the United States; who, after having exchanged their full powers, found in good and due form, have concluded and signed the following articles:


Article I

There shall be perpetual peace and amity between the United States and the King of the Hawaiian Islands, his heirs and his successors.

 

Note:  The perpetual peace and amity treaty is agreed to by representatives for the U.S. President Zachary Taylor and Jarvis from the Hawaiian Kingdom representing Kauikeouli/Kamehameha III.

 

 

This is the Constitution in 1849:

 

http://archive.org/details/codevirginiawit00virggoog

 

http://archive.org/stream/codevirginiawit00virggoog#page/n46/mode/2up

    D Declaration of Independence:

http://archive.org/stream/codevirginiawit00virggoog#page/n36/mode/2up

Article II

There shall be reciprocal liberty of commerce and navigation between the United States of America and the Hawaiian Islands. No duty of customs, or other impost, shall be charged upon any goods, the produce or manufacture of one country, upon importation from such country into the other, other or higher than the duty or impost charged upon goods of the same kind, the produce of manufacture of, or imported from, any other country; and the United States of America and His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands do hereby engage, that the subjects or citizens of any other state shall not enjoy any favor, privilege, or immunity, whatever, in matters of commerce and navigation, which shall not also, at the same time, be extended to the subjects or citizens of the other contracting party, gratuitously, if the concession in favor of that other State shall have been gratuitous, and in return for a compensation, as nearly as possible of proportionate value and effect, to be adjusted by mutual agreement, if the concession shall have been conditional.

Article III

All articles the produce or manufacture of either country which can legally be imported into either country from the other, in ships of that other country, and thence coming, shall, when so imported, be subject to the same duties, and enjoy the same privileges, whether imported in ships of the one country, or in ships of the other; and in like manner, all goods which can legally be exported or re-exported from either country to the other, in ships of that other country, shall, when so exported or reexported, be subject to the same duties, and be entitled to the same privileges, draw backs, bounties, and allowances, whether exported in ships of the one country, or in ships of the other: and all goods and articles, of whatever( description, not being' of the produce of manufacture of the United States, which can be legally imported into the Sandwich Islands shall when so imported In vessels of the United States pay no other or higher duties, imposts, or charges than shall be payable upon the like goods, and articles, when imported in the vessels of the most favored foreign nation other than the nation of which the said goods and articles are the produce or manufacture.

Article IV

No duties of tonnage, harbor, lighthouses, pilotage, quarantine, or other similar duties, of whatever nature, or under whatever denomination, shall be imposed in either country upon the vessels of the other, in respect of voyages between the United States of America and the Hawaiian Islands, if laden, or in respect of any voyage, if in ballast, which shall not be equally imposed in the like cases on national vessels.

Article V

It hereby declared, that the stipulations of the present treaty are not to be understood as applying to the navigation and carrying trade between one port and another situated in the state of either contracting party, such navigation and trade being reserved exclusively to national vessels.

Article VI

Steam vessel of the United States which may be employed by the Government of the said States, in the carrying of their Public Mail across the Pacific Ocean, of from one port in that ocean to another, shall have free access to the ports of the Sandwich Islands, with the privilege of stopping therein to refit, to refresh, to land passengers and their baggage, and for the transaction of any business pertaining to the public Mail service of the United States, and be subject in such ports to no duties of tonnage, harbor, lighthouses, quarantine, or other similar duties of whatever nature of under whatever denomination.

 
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Article VII

The Whaleships of the United States shall have access to the Port of Hilo, Kealakekua and Hanalei in the Sandwich Islands, for the purposes of refitment and refreshment, as well as to the ports of Honolulu and Lahaina which only are ports of entry for all Merchant vessels, and in all the above named ports, they shall be permitted to trade or barter their supplies or goods, excepting spirituous liquors, to the amount of two hundred dollars ad va lorem for each vessel, without paying any charge for tonnage or harbor dues of any description, or any duties or imposts whatever upon the goods or articles so traded or bartered. They shall also be permitted; with the like exemption from all chargers for tonnage and harbor dues, further to trade or barter, with the same exception as to spiritous licquors, to the additional amount of one thousand dollars ad valorum, for each vessel, paying upon the additional goods and articles so traded and bartered, no other or higher duties, than are payable on like goods and articles, when imported in the vessels and by the citizens or subject of the most favored foreign nation.

They shall so be permitted to pass from port to port of the Sandwich Islands for the purpose of procuring refreshments, but they shall not discharge their seamen or land their passenger in the said Islands, except at Lahaina and Honolulu; and in all the ports named to this article, the whale ships of the United States shall enjoy in all respects, whatsoever, all the rights, privileges and immunities which are enjoyed by, or shall be granted to, the whale ships of the most favored foreign nation. The like privilege of frequenting the three ports of the Sandwich Islands, above named in this article, not being ports of entry for merchant vessels, is also guaranteed to all the public armed vessels of the United States. But nothing in this article shall be construed as authorizing any vessel of the United States, having on board any disease usually regarded as requiring quarantine, to enter during the continuance of such disease on board, any port of the Sandwich Islands, other than Lahaina or Honolulu.

Article VIII

The contracting parties engage, in regard to the personal privileges, that the citizens of the United States of America shall enjoy in the dominion of His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, and the subjects of his said Majesty in the United States of America, that they shall have free and undoubted right to travel and to reside in the states of the two high contracting parties, subject to the same precaution a police which are practiced towards the subjects or citizens of the most favored nations. They shall be entitled to occupy dwellings and warships, and to dispose of their personal property of every kind and description, by sale, gift, exchange, will, or in any other way whatever, without the smallest hindrance or obstacle; and their heir or representatives, being subject or citizens of the other contracting party, shall succeed to their personal goods, whether by testament or ab intestato; and may take possession thereof, either by themselves or by others acting for them, and dispose of same by will, paying to the profit of the respective governments, such dues only as the inhabitants of the country wherein said goods are, shall be subject to pain in like cases. And in case of the absence of the heir and representative, such care shall be taken of said goods as would be taken of the goods of a native of the same country in like case, until the lawful owner may take measures for receiving them.

And if a question should aarise among several claimants as to which of them aid goods belong, the same shall be decided finally by the laws and judges of the land wherein the said goods are. Where, on the decease of any person holding real estate within the territories of one party, such real estate would, by the laws of the land, descend on a citizen or subject of the other, were he not disqualified by alienage, such citizen or subject shall be allowed a reasonable time to sell the same, and to with draw the proceeds without molestation and exempt from all duties of detraction on the part of the government of the respective states. The citizens or subjects of the contracting parties shall not be obligated to pay, under any pretence whatever, any taxes or impositions other or greater than those which are paid, or may hereafter be paid , by the subjects or citizens of most favored nations, in the respective states of the high contracting parties. They shall be exempt from all military service, whether by land or by sea; from forced loans; and from every extraordinary contribution not general and by law established. Their dwellings, warehouses, and all premises appertaining thereto, destined for the purposes of commerce or residence shall be respected.

No arbitrary search of , or visit to, their houses, and no arbitrary examination or inspection whatever of the books, papers, or accounts of their trade, shall be made; but such measures shall be executed only in conformity with the legal sentence of a competent tribunal; and each of the two contracting parties engage that the citizens or subjects of the other residing in their respective States shall enjoy their property and personal security, in as full and ample manner of their own citizens or subjects, of the subjects or citizens of the most favored nation, but subject alway to the laws and statutes of the two countries restively.

Article IX

The citizen and subjects of each of the two contracting parties shall be free in the state of the other to manage their own affairs themselves, or to commit those affairs to the management of any persons whom they may appoint as their broker, factor or agent; nor shall the citizens and subjects of the two contracting parties be restrained in their choice of person to act in such capacities, nor shall they be called upon to pay and salary or remuneration to any person whom they shall not choose to employ.

Absolute freedom shall be given in all cases to the buyer and seller to bargain together and to fix the price of any good or merchandise imported into, or to be exported from the state and dominions of the two contracting parties; save and except generally such case wherein the laws and usages of the country may require the intervention of any special agent in the estate and dominion of the contracting parties. But nothing contained in this or any other article of the present Treaty shall be construed to authorize the sale of spirituous liquors to the natives of the Sandwich Islands, further than such sale may be allowed by the Hawaiian laws.

Article X

Each of the two contracting parties may have, in the ports of the other, consul, vice consul, and commercial agent, of their own appointment, who shall enjoy the same privileges and power with those of the most favored nations; but if any such consul shall exercise commerce, they shall be subject to the same law and usage to which the private individuals of their nation are subject in the same place. The said Consul, vice consul, and commercial agents are authorized to require the assistance of the local authorities for the search, arrest, detention, and imprisonment of the deserters from the ships of war and merchant vessels of their country. For this purpose, they shall apply to the competent tribunal, judges and officers, and shall in writing demand the said deserters, proving, by the exhibition of the registers of the vessel, the rolls of the crews, or by other official document, that such individual formed part of the crew; and this reclamation being thus substantiated, the offender shall not be refused. Such deserters, when arrested shall be placed at the disposal of the said consul, vice consul, or commercial agents, and may be confined in the public prison, at the request and cost of those who all claim them, in order to be detained until the time when they shall be restored to the vessel to which they belonged, or sent back to their own country by a vessel of the same nation or any other vessel whatsoever.

The agent, owners or masters of vessels on account of whom the deserters have been apprehended, upon requisition of the local authorities shall be required to take or send away such deserters from the state and dominions of the contracting parties, or give such security for their good conduct as the law may require. But if not sent back nor reclaimed within six months from the day of their arrest, or if all the expenses of such imprisonment are not defrayed by the party causing such arrest and imprisonment, they shall be set at liberty and shall not be again arrested for the same cause. However, if the deserters should be found to have committed any crime or offense, their surrender may be delayed until the tribunal before which their case shall be depending, shall have pronounced its sentence, and such sentence shall have been carried into effect.

Article XI

It is agreed that perfect and entire liberty of conscience shall be enjoyed by the citizens and subjects of both the contracting parties, in the countries of the one of the other, without their being liable to be disturbed or molested on account of their religious belief. But nothing contained in this article shall be construed to interfere with the exclusive right of the Hawaiian Government to regulate for itself the schools which it may establish or support within its jurisdiction.

Article XII

If any ships of war or other vessels be wrecked on the coasts of the states or territories of either of the contracting parties, such ships or vessels, or any parts thereof, and all furniture and appurtenance belonging thereunto, and all goods and merchandise which shall be stored with the least possible delay to the proprietors, upon being claimed by them or their duly authorized factors; and if there are no such proprietors or factors on the spot, then the said goods and merchandise, or the proceeds thereof, as well as all the papers found on board such wrecked ships or vessels, shall be delivered to the American or Hawaiian consul, or vice consul, in whose district the wreck may have taken place; and such consul, vice consul, proprietors, or factors, shall pay on the expenses incurred in the preservation of the property, together with the rate of salvage, and expenses of quarantine which would have been payable in the like case of a wreck of a national vessel; and the goods and merchandise saved from the wreck shall not be subject to duties unless entered for consumption, it being understood that in case of any legal claim upon such wreck, goods, or merchandise, the same shall be referred for decision of the competent tribunals of the country.

Article XIII

The vessels of either of the two contracting parties which may be forced by weather or other cause into one of the ports of the other, shall be exempt from all duties of port or navigation paid for the benefit of the state, if the motives which led to their seeking refuge be real and evident, and if no cargo be discharged or taken on board, save such as may relate to the substinence of the crew, or be necessary for the repair of the vessels, and if they do not stay in port beyond the time necessary, keeping in view the cause which led to their seeking refuge.

Article XIV

The contracting parties mutually agree to surrender, upon official requisition, to the authority of each, all persons who, being charged with the crimes of murder, piracy, arson, robbery, forgery or the utterance of forged paper, committed within the jurisdiction of either, shall be found within the territories of the other; provided, that this shall only be done upon such evidence or criminality as, according to the laws of the place where the person so charged shall be found, would justify his apprehension and commitment for trial if the crime had there been committed: and the respective judges and other magistrates of the two Governments, shall have authority, upon complaint made under oath, to issue a warrant for the apprehension of the person do charged, that he may be brought before such judge or other magistrates respectively, to the end that the evidence of criminality may be heard and considered; and if, on such hearing, the evidence be deemed sufficient to sustain the charge, it shall be the duty of the examining judge or magistrate to certify the same to the proper executive authority, that a warrant may issued for the surrender of such fugitive. The expense of such apprehension and delivery shall be borne and defrayed by the party who makes the requisition and receives the fugitive.

Article XV

So soon as Steam or other mail packets under the flag of either of the contracting parties, shall have commenced running between their respective ports of entry, the contracting parties agree to receive at the post offices of those ports all mailable matter, and to forward it as directed, the destination being to dome regular post office of either country, charging thereupon the regular postal rate as established by law in the territories of either party receiving said mailable matter, in addition to the original postage of the office whence the mail as sent. Mails for the United States shall be made up at regular intervals at the Hawaiian Post Office, and dispatched to ports of the United States, the postmasters at which ports shall open the same, and forward the enclosed matter as directed, crediting in the Hawaiian Government with their postages as established by law and stamped upon each manuscript or printed sheet.

All mailable matter destined for the Hawaiian Islands shall be received at the several post office in the United States and forwarded to San Franclsco or other ports on the Pacific coast of the United States, whence the post masters shall despatch it by the regular mail packets to Honolulu, the Hawaiian government agreeing on their part to receive and collect for and credit the Post Office Department of the United State with the United States rates charged thereupon. It shall be optional to prepay the postage on letters in either country, but postage on printed sheets and newspapers shall in all cases be prepaid. The respective post office department of the contracting parties shall in their accounts, which are to be justified annually, be credited with all dead letters returned.

Article XV

The present treaty shall be in force from the date of the exchange of the ratification for the term of ten years, and further, until the end of twelve months after either of the contracting parties all have given notice to the other of its intention to terminate the same, each of the said contracting parties reserving to itself the right of giving such notice at the end of the said term of ten years, or at any subsequent term.

Any citizen or subject of either party infringing the articles of this treaty shall be held responsible for the same and the harmony and good correspondence between the two governments shall not be interrupted thereby, each party engaging in no way to protect the offender or sanction such violation.

Article XVII

The present treaty hall be ratified by the President of the United States of America, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate of said States, and by His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, by and with the advice of his Privy Council of State, and the ratifications shall be exchanged at Honolulu within eighteen months from the date of its signature, or sooner if possible. In witness whereof, the respective plenipotentiaries have signed the same in triplicate, and have thereto affixed their seals. Done at Washington in the English language, the twentieth day of December, in the year one thousand eight hundred and forty nine.

JOHN M. CLAYTON.

JAMES JACKSON JARVES

Reference:  http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/treaty_us-1849.shtml
  


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Summary

The contract/Perpetual Treaty was signed in 1849 with the above U.S. Constitution and Amendments intact.

This means that the contract/Perpetual Treaty is locked in time and the U.S. Constitution and Amendments recorded during the time period affects the Perpetual Treaty of the period.

This means that the U.S. Constitution and Amendments remain unchanged to this day because Treaty(ies) supersede State Laws, etc.

This means that all the Presidential Executive Orders which changes the U.S. Constitution cannot change what was since 1849.

Correct me if I'm wrong.........but Americans can charge those who change the U.S. Constitution as treasonous, etc.

aloha.

   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQP563gKwIU

note:  

In 1852, Kauikeouli/Kamehameha III passed the anti-slavery law and 13 years later, the U.S. passed their anti-slavery following the Hawaiian Law with nearly every word in the law worded the same.

Yes, the Hawaiian Kingdom was more progressive than the U.S./United States of America.

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The Hawaiian Kingdom Treaty, a Perpetual Treaty, may just be what can save Americans in this day and age.....read on.....aloha.
 
Scrutinizing the PERPETUAL TREATY(IES) With the U.S./United States of America And Their Constitution
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Hint:

Let's focus on PART VI no. 2 - ABOUT TREATY(IES):

"2.  This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in  every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Note:   

"all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"......and the "Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

notwithstanding - 

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    notwithstanding preposition all the same, despite, even, however, in any case, in any event, in spite of, nevertheless, none the less, still, yet ...
  2. Notwithstanding Definition 
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    The legal definition of Notwithstanding is In spite of, even if, without regard to or impediment by other things.


"3.  The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Note:  

"The Senators and Representatives" or Congress, and each member/"Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;"

 

Note:  How many States were part of the Union in 1849?

 

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    How many slave states were there in the 1849? 15 free statesHow many stateswhere there in 1849? 30. How many states were part of the US in 1849?
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oh btw...............Is Washington, D.C. a State?

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note that a reply was deleted............this is the corrected version of the reply because the dates were incorrect and now corrected:

Glasgow weekly times. (Glasgow, Mo.) 1848-1861, December 11, 1851, Image 2

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Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86063325/1851-12-11/ed-1/s...

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The entire article is important because it was U.S. President Tyler's message in 1851 which affects the Hawaiian Government as well.  

In 1849, U.S. President Tyler did sign a Permanent Friendship Treaty with Kamehameha III whose descendants exists today.  

This is the beginning of the article which should be read by everyone because this supercedes all that Obama, et. als. are attempting to do today to validate their entity which is neither de facto nor de jure and documented by Queen Liliuokalani as well:

Glasgow weekly times. (Glasgow, Mo.) 1848-1861, December 11, 1851, Image 2

Image provided by State Historical Society of Missouri; Columbia, MO

Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86063325/1851-12-11/ed-1/s...

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