The Stockholme Syndrome in Hawai'i

The Association of Hawaiian Civic Clubs (AHCC) have been there for cultural preservation, scholarships for Hawaiian students, and preserving the legacies left to us by our ali'i nui. As far as politics, they had steered away from it and was known to be a social club and Holoku Balls. It wasn't until the Akaka Bill that they seriously got into that realm of being politically active. They generally see themselves as Americans and hang on to the belief that the U.S. has done good for us. No one wants to go back to the little grass shack and have a monarch. This had been drummed into their heads that they believe that is a major set-back for us and that is what it would be. This is fostered by hiding away the real status of the Hawaiians and buying into the manifest destiny doctrines enforced on our people to secure U.S. dominance over us. The confidence was stripped away from many Hawaiians, thinking that they couldn't exist or have the lifestyle they have today without the U.S.A. They felt they would be going backwards instead of forward without the U.S. They have been led to believe that belonging to the biggest, greatest, most powerful country in the world is better than falling prey to other countries and that the rest of the world is weak and backwards and would be swallowed up by the major countries. They call this the Stockholme Syndrome, "They let me eat, sleep,they did acts of kindness, they let me live; they are not bad guys. Wikipedia defines it: "Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed". Many of the older Hawaiians tend to suffer from this. The younger generation was indoctrinated and conditioned to believe this is what their ancestors wanted and are satisfied with the way things are today despite the situation we live in; character-assassinations, and that our lot in the U.S. society is brought upon by ourselves; and that we are the undeserving victims; it's better than "nothing"; and the U.S. won't leave. Being invalidated leads many to doubt their worthiness and wary of the unknown as threatened by the U.S. should we strive for our independence. Many eyes are opening and realizing the many ways they subjugate people to comply with the U.S. control. This psychological assault continues through many are now seeing the truth by lifting the veil that has been thrown over them; but, once you have the vision to see, you can't be fooled anymore. Those who are still blind and stuck with being disillusioned are adverse to the growing numbers who has regained their sight. They are surprised there are many more than they have determined to exist. Will they be in denial or is living a lie too overwhelming as to invalidate them insteadthat make them resist in seeing? They realize there are more people who now can see the truth and it scares them that they have to change their way of thinking; defiantly searching for guarantees that they don't lose anything that has been ingraciously handed to them through compliance. Don't let undue fear control one's life; it retards one moving forward. Courage to face the unknown is a legacy our kupuna instilled in us; so let's hear their words and holomua. Tane

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  • Amelia Did you notice the 12 million viewers on the Jacksons dancing!
  • Amelia Exactly,

    I too reread, and started to read the comments and realized that this was an older posting done by Tane.

     

    There are days that I feel like I've been cornered and I know me, I come out scratching like a wild tiger or something:

     

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    Private: Ahahui Malama I Ka Lokahi

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  • Many did resist and still do today. I'm speaking about how many had to accept what the U.S. has done today and how many defend the U.S. actions and believe they are real U.S. Americans and proud of it and that the Americans are not the bad guys in this scenario in Hawai'i.
    • Good example of that Tane is the August edition of Ka Wai Ola....read what the trustees have to say about Statehood. Here are examples of our so-called "leaders" who have bought the U.S. mentally hook, line and sinker. They actually reminisce nostagically about the time.

      I was only 4 years old in 1959 so I remember nothing about it. I don't recall my parents/grandparents talking about it and maybe they kept it from us intentionally. I think for some of my kupuna it was seen as a blessing...a reprieve from the oppressive territorial years. The prevailing attitude among some Hawaiians was that we had no other options that were better than statehood.
      • I was 16 at the time and quite outspoken against statehood. I was around all that crap growing up and know some first-hand feelings that surrounded me. I was too vocal about it, my parents cautioned that it was a white man's world and they call the shots in society. I then questioned who was society? I kept on with my barage of ranting against it and the U.S.; so much so that my parents wanted to send me to a psychologist. LOL... Only my grandparents were sympathetic to what I was challenging.

        I was in school when the sirens and horns were blastin and I was the only one with the sourest angry face in class and cussing, to boot. I was really pissed off that I was willing to forgo damning my soul to hell and kill someone. I remember it like yesterday. I played their game at some oint and rationalized what I was doing to mock the U.S. and show them up. I guess others did too when we trashed those haole U.S. Americans that acted like ass-holes, BSers, and scammers. Of course there were some that were just like family but the caustic, arrogant ones got blasted at the drop of the hat who thought they were superior to us and were disrespectful.

        When my cousin and I condemned and blasted the U.S. troops for invading Iraq and the U.S. troops was fighting for our mythical freedoms, one of my younger sisters' son in law in Iraq went off like the a-bomb on Hiroshima., my sister foolishly went to his defense. I blasted her and called her a haole for the way she ranted at me and she could go live with them. She should have stayed out of the argument. It took me two weeks to cool down and I still love her very much and her family including her son-in-law. Lol....

        Some hear what they want to hear and think because the truth hurts; it shouldn't be spoken about and that I attack them personally. If their government commits a crime; I will call them on it. If an American has a distorted view; I will set them straight on it. If they are nice; I'm nice. If they are condescending; then I give it right back to them in spades. I was always against statehood and my opinion hasn't changed. Look at what's going on there; par for the course. It is still a White supremacist WASP society as racist as the day that country was born. Why should a Hawaiian or any non-white be subjected to that kind of abuse which I've witnessed just about all my 66 years on this earth? I'm a peaceful, loving guy; but if they get ugly, I'm not afraid to blast them with my words like I've learned to do with the Con-klins of the world.
  • Forgive me Tani, I must admit as I was reading Ululani's post, I wanted to dance on her words because that is surely how I feel, and want to believe. I was picturing all my Aunties and grandmother resisting the missionaries in Koolaupoko, but knowing the truth as to how life really was for them, ah shucks! I hope this forum stays on for awhile because I want to reread your eloquent response. Love you Kaohi
  • Aloha Lana:

    I think you have taken it out of context with how psychologically it has changed some ways of thinking. When we look at the larger picture, it formulates how things generally develop. This gives an opportunity to examine where one's thoughts, ideas, and actions are coming from. It's not a matter of who's right or wrong; my way or the highway. Much of it has developed before your generation, my generation, and my parents generation.

    Stockholme syndrome is a recognized symptom universally and not just by the U.S. It's a thing that is manifested in many ways by those with greater power over those with less power. You are taking it out of context but I understand where you are coming from which doesn't apply when speaking of it in general. We know life doesn't stop no matter what conditions we live under; but compliance does affect the things we do.

    This suggests that it is more effective in Honolulu than on the neighboring islands; and not to say it wouldn't exist on the neighboring islands for some. But it does exist in degrees in general as it shapes itself in how one thinks. You, Lana come from both worlds and can pass yourself off in either worlds; thus you can't see the dynamics it causes in one's thinking. It's how one rationalizes the effects that dictates one's behaviour and thinking. This symptom is not projected only in the Hawaii national psyche but that of others whereveer they live.

    Yes, today, more people have broken through the barrier and are more outspoken; they have found that the oppressor doesn't wield the power to change what one believes to be true. I've spoken to thousands of people from all over the world for decades and have gotten a sense of where they have formulated their thoughts, arguments, and ideas, and why they do what they do for self-preservation. Hawai'i is no different in this aspect.

    Some have fallen prey to accept things as they are; some have not and struggle to survive in the enforced environment created by foreigners; some can assimilate easily while others cannot. Some see the U.S. as superior to theirs and better conditions attributed to it; other see it as a detriment to their culture and society which produced better conditions prior to the occupation and realize that it can achieve the same things just as well with or without U.S. occupation.

    Being engaged in assimilation processes, conditioning, brainwashing, propaganda/indoctrination, terroristic threatening, show of force, can produce effects of the stockholm syndrome, softening the blows that the U.S. is not the bad guys. While observing what went on prior to the occupation and witnessing the world-wide events, one can see it in action.

    As far as kupuna, they don't have to show fears, anxiety, and concern openly. They teach you to survive under those conditions if they are aware of the dynamics involved. Many will not contest or defy U.S. presence in Hawai'i. They will prefer the U.S. hold of their country because they can demonstrate they are proud of being U.S. Americans and can fly under the radar from persecution of any form.

    Today we see a renewed beating down of our culture and heritage; to wipe it out except for the entertaining parts of it as selected to be acceptable by the U.S. Americans. Our gathering rights have been drastically curtailed and we now have to ask permission to do it by getting a permit. Our protests of desecrating our 'ohana na iwi have been ignored to promote development. Our culture is delineated as an amusement to their sensitivities. To express any of it has to be in the guidelines they approve of in order for it to be acceptable. Ones Americanism must be demonstrated to be validated as a "partner" in their union.

    We are the side-event instead of the main feature in Hawai'i. There are those today that don't know they are showing signs of this symptom and grateful to be U.S. Americans rather than Hawai'i nationals with no hope of regaining their true status.
  • ALOHA Kakou, e Hawaii, After founding the Honolulu Hawaiian Civic Club Prince Kuhio blasted the HHCC for doing Too Much Singing and Dancing. Prince Kuhio wanted the Civic Clubs to be a Political entity for his people. Not a Social Club. In the past I was an active member of the Waialua H.C.C. in the 1970's I enjoyed my years as a member of the Waialua H.C.C. As I was the Chairperson of the Waialua H.C.C. for the introduction of Resolutions to the Hawaiian Civic Club Conventions. I miss those Hot and Wounderful days being an active member of the Waialua H.C.C.
    Long Live The Hawaiian Kingdom, o Pomai
  • Aloha kaua e Tane.

    Stockholm Syndrome may apply to some people but my kupuna were never held captive by their oppressors mentally and/or physically. They never felt isolated or threatened with death. Despite being restricted to speak olelo oiwi they STILL spoke it. Some of my kupuna were STRONG oiwi women who challenged the status quo and who were not complacent. They NEVER feared anything or anyone which is evident when they sign their names and when they spoke fluent Hawaiian despite being told not to. They did not listen. They still do not listen.

    Has it ever occurred to people that these oiwi who choose what they choose do so willingly and with sound mind and body? To state that our kupuna were victims? No. Not sure about others' kupuna but MY kupuna were strong and strong minded. One even outlived both of her husbands and lived til she was 102.

    Stockholm Syndrome? She feared nothing and no one. That is why she spoke Hawaiian fluently in the open til the day that she died.

    Perhaps labels make people feel more comfortable that it cannot possibly be that our kupuna chose what they chose but I do not doubt their decisions or their actions one bit. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing and one thing that they did not do was be fearful. For example those who have some roots in Ka'u are far from "fearful" from their oppressors. Some killed some oppressive chiefs.

    However I would agree with you IF oiwi did not speak up or be a face of Hawaiian sovereignty. Victims of Stockhold Syndrome would OBEY and/or LISTEN. We see hundreds of oiwi who do not listen to their oppressors and write, speak, and/or protest. THAT is not a sign of VICTIMS who are FEARFUL.

    Therefore... I disagree.

    Fearful people would fear retribution. They would AGREE with their so-called captives. We see the oppositive happening. We see oiwi speak up, write, and/or protest. We see some FOCUS on the iwi instead of on America. They are NOT victims who identify with their captives. Instead they are FREE thinkers.

    Unfortunately since some people may disagree with their mana'o they are quickly labeled as "victims" of the Stockholm Syndrome..

    Unfortunately a reason why Stockholm Syndrome is used as a label to apply to some oiwi is that others disagree with their mana'o. That is one that many kupuna teach is to KU'E... to stand and to THINK differently and there is nothing wrong with an oiwi choosing what they choose as long as it does not damage the iwi but some people do not want other oiwi to associate with Americans.


    Instead they want to carve the American out of the oiwi. To do so they insult these oiwi by calling them victims. They are not victims. They do NOT fear anyone or anything. Instead they just think differently and I am glad. It shows that they can think for themselves and chances are if they think for themselves and do not listen to people who are critical of their choice(s) then they will not listen to their so-called captives.

    That reminds me... the one major thing that is dividing Hawaiians has to do with America and American ideology. If Hawaiians do not respect other people's mana'o and that oiwi will stand and/or think differently then the problem is not America. It is in OIWI. Calling other oiwi nasty names and insulting their intelligence is just the beginning to a large divide. Ironically it is NOT America that is dividing us. Instead it is some of our OWN people who do not respect that other oiwi will think differently. Instead they want to hold other oiwis' mind captive.

    I see it a lot. Some oiwi fear that their mana'o is different so they hesitate to use their voice. Instead they go with a group mentality so that they are "liked." They do not fear Americans. Instead they fear being shunned by other oiwi because they think differently so really... who are our captives? For me America TRIES to hold our mind, body, and/or spirit captive but it is some Hawaiians who end up doing so -- instilling fear in them that if they disagree that they will be blackballed in the islands. Instilling fear in them that if they disagree with other oiwi that it is somehow "wrong" to do so.

    America TRY to instill fear in us? No though if it was true them some oiwi would not speak up period. However they speak up LOUDLY. America has tried to brainwash us against our kupuna. Kamehameha Schools tried to do it to some of us too yet IT DID NOT WORK.

    On the other hand... other Hawaiians trying to instill fear in us? Look at how the "Ku" person came here to try to instill fear in Kalani. It does not work yet "Ku" still tries to do so. Another example is how some oiwi know about title thus land yet screw over other oiwi. Aue! Yet another example is how some oiwi know some genealogy yet do not share their knowledge. Instead they resort to trying to elevate themselves by STEPPING ON OUR KUPUNAS' BONES thus stepping on the IWI.

    It is THESE people who are oiwi who pose a serious danger to our mo'opunas' mental and physical well-being... NOT Americans. It is THESE people who try to hold other oiwi captive. They play mind games. They try to get other oiwi to get emotionally attached to them and try to get them to defend their captors. Try to get us to show loyalty to THEIR mana'o. If they DARE think differently then they are outcast. For those who DO identify with the rest of the pack then they are loyal and go as far as to DEFEND them.

    It is not Americans. Instead it is some other Hawaiians who try to use the Stockholm Syndrome as mental warfare partly because they want to CARVE the American out of the oiwi and thus out of our mo'opuna and/or our keiki. Some even conflate "ola na iwi" to "s/he is pro-American." S/he must be oki'd. To me THAT is dangerous while America is not.

    Look at how America has tried to brainwash us against our kupuna... yet some of us STILL listen to our kupuna. So to me it is not America who is trying to hold us captive. Instead it is some other oiwi who want other oiwi to agree with them and if and when they do not they are basically called nasty names. Mental warfare just like how America does to people who think differently and REFUSE to be brainwashed except with some other oiwi they should KNOW beddah den that! Kupuna vary just as their mana'o do yet what do we see? Mental warfare by some oiwi against some oiwi.

    They even use American ideology (i.e. "Stockholm Syndrome") to do so. They do not bother using a term in olelo oiwi to insult some oiwi. Instead they use terminology by some people who try to oppress others in order to try to oppress some other oiwi who happen to have different mana'o. It's unfortunate that instead of hearing "It's great that other oiwi think differently because it reflects what their kupuna taught them." Instead we see "That oiwi does not agree with me so I will call him or her a nasty name in English." The oppressed becomes the oppressor. The cycle continues.

    So for ME I am not fearful of Americans. However I am fearful for the keiki who are subjected to this B.S. labels being used as mental warfare against them if they so much as THINK differently than other oiwi. These people pose a serious danger to the mental AND physical well being of our keiki... NOT America because so far America has yet to be able to brainwash us against our kupuna. Though they still try they are still unsuccessful in trying to wipe our kupuna off the face of the earth as though they are nothing and as though they mean nothing those oiwi who think differently still keep them and their memories alive not out of fear but out of love for their kupuna but some oiwi conflate "thinking differently" to "fearing America."

    . On the other hand some other oiwi... they want to try to hold other oiwis' mind, body, and/or spirit CAPTIVE and want other oiwi to agree with them and identify with them which are some symptoms of the Stockholm Syndrome. They want other oiwi to identify with them and agree with them and if other oiwi do not and if they do not "love their abuser(s)" then their power and/or control over other oiwi is threatened. Thus they are dangerous!





    Malama, Lana
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