Posted by Tane on July 21, 2009 at 1:09am in Politics
The statement, "I have heard the argument over and over of ' If the U.S. didn't take Hawaii, then some other country would have'." is an aged-old argument that sprung from the policy and statement initiated by U.S. President John Quincy Adams in 1826: "The preservation of Hawai'i from domination or control of any other great nation is essential to the welfare of the United States..."
President Taylor in his 1949 message:"...render their (Hawai'i) destiny peculiar (interesting) to us.
In 1851, President Filmore expressed "hope that Hawai'i's differences with France might be settled long before the events which have of late imparted so much importance to the possessions of the U.S. on the Pacific, we acknowledge the independence of the Hawaiian Government."
Gen. Comley, U.S. Minister in Hawai'i during 1881, sent concern of British interest and influence. U.S. Secy of State James Blaine sent a dispatch concerned about European Powers influence on Hawai'i as Hawaii is a key to U.S. dominion of American Pacific.
The U.S. was fraught with concerns that these other countries would gain more influence and interest as to deter U.S. plans in the Pacific for naval dominance in the Pacific. This is where that line of arguments sprang from. Interestingly, the only country that broke its treaty with the Hawaiian Kingdom and refused to de-occupy it is the United States of America. So, that tiresome argument remains moot and vacuous.
The military presence in Hawai'i is merely domination and not to protect Hawai'i which they deem as expendable which they have let slip out of their tongues countless times. Hawai'i is their outpost to defend their western continental borders and a strong presence in the Pacific that supports its other installations within the Pacific and beyond. Hawai'i's neutrality status is continuously being violated and people are put in harm's way because of the military presence within its territory.
U.S. military has made Hawai'i the most densely armed area in the world which their WMD is aimed at all countries within the Pacific Rim that the U.S. considers not in their good interest. The spy globe on Mauna Ka'ala on O'ahu eavesdrop on every country within the Pacific area and beyond. This makes us shooting ducks for any U.S. enemy and it is those installations that is targeted while the rest of us and our area are collateral damages. Our demise will just be a false flag to further the U.S. agenda as Pearl Harbor was back in 1941 and the WTC on 9/11.
History does repeat itself, eh? It's best that the U.S. and Its military de-occupy Hawai'i.
Tane
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da Princess,
Thank you for your heart felt posting, I really appreciated your partnership. Universally, I don't know how to work with national diversity, it takes a lot of work. The out come is suppose to be unity, but those of us that are nation ethnic (native Hawaiian) end up with the short end of the stick. Why, because in our Hawaiian communities, from my perspective, the woes are state generated and the non-profits leach these data woes for their gain/existence again.
Keeping in step with the blog title, the US block grantors maintain a distance between the woes and the grants. Money spent, grant ends and the woes ballon into a tree of triple social ills. The social ill data becomes the next grant, all over again and this phenomenon is by revolving state design. My conclusion, is trying to educate one's family and community to see the problems with open eyes are the difficulties that we are struggling with in these times, but not impossible to do. Sorry for the yada yada, we can run our own lives and nation and do a better job at it too! Mahalo for your thoughts, Kaohi
wow, to hold the words of grace in a dicussion can be very challenging, however my hands out to all of you, for we are all reading and learning at the same time of the different idea's of all that has a difference of opionion. The Question is safety, and the benefit of our next generations to come.
keep in mind while we are discussing this very issue, the news papers in the past week have this state hororing the Japan Leaders, as they check our the lands and view our sacred 'aina. Imagine what is flowing through their minds. I thank Tane, Lana, Kaohi and the others of concerns to raise up issues that not to much is of matter to others on our Kingdom Hawaiian Islands, it is issues of discussion that keep all of us alert of what surrounds us today and how it will effect our next generations that is coming very soon.
my many more blessings to the wealth of knowledge that can be brought forward in our times with much GRACE and RESPECT to one another. until we all meet in unity.......Mahalo Ke Akua........~da princess~
I read every word, and I want to say we all got off track. As you all know I did not buy into the talk on DU and Babies for this reason. But, I thank all of you for attempting to remedy this tract and may I say with grace, bravery and for all the world to see the model of intelligence that you all have in you. Most of all I thank Lana for being the devils advocate, she said all the right things for the wrong reason, (or is it the other way around) and I respect her position. I can remember the days when I said stupid stuff, like "I not for sovereignty." Anakele on the otherhand, wanted to half the child (Christianity stuff) and it worked. which is why I am saying 'off track'. Lana and the likes are too intelligent to be a handmaid for the US government. This is the game that gets played since the inception of FDR's handmaid policy 'the deal' for Papakolea women to get their natalist (make babies) homestead land.
As a matter of fact speaking of handmaids, last night SCHHA just handed down the plan--which is CNHA's handle: progressive, corporate, and development. I inturned asked for air, sea, wind, BTU's and that pissed off SCHHA, but it bought time, leveled the playing field, and hightened the level of thinking into the future. Our Senator, proposed that we prostitute and pimp our open land space, good grief! I don't know what's to come of our future, it all depends on the amount of handmaid 'thinkers' in my community. Accordingly, the US democracy-voting verses Monarchy reared it's ugly head again. But, maybe the League of Women voters can step in, thanks to Hanalei at the Iolani Palace.
The military are opala beach combers ( a long high wave that crashes onto our Hawaii shores) they have no vested interest in Hawaii. As for 911 attack, although we new about it's coming, I was at odds that the military has a 'no act' for 48 hours. Was these acts preventable 911 nor Pearl Harbor, hell yeah! By the way, the terroist did a test run to Hawaii and failed using a spring from a pen, batteries from one camera, and liquid stuff it was intercepted by 'local boy' style of intelligence.
So military de-occupation is the only way to go, as in yanky go home and take care your families, land and get educated on things like global warming. Pacific Islanders 'undah da sea' not for real okay, it's fantasy not futuristic! Mahalo everyone-- Kaohi
It is difficult for me to find anything redeeming about the military presence in Hawaii. Military bases and installations take up thousands of acres of land across ka pae aina Hawaii, much of it Crown Land, paying little more than $1.00 per year on these leases. They leave the land and sea riddled with unexploded ordnances and toxic chemicals, with little if any public disclosure. The military occupies about 1/4th of the island of Oahu alone. How can we justify this with thousands of Kanaka Maoli displaced and homeless? Military occupation equates to environmental degradation, with little recourse for the people affected. Marines trained in Waikane Valley and when they were done, the land was unfit for human habitation. The Kamaka family who owned the land was told by the military that it would be too expensive to clean up and so they fenced it up and condemned the land. Kahoolawe, Makua and Pohakuloa are similar examples. Land is too limited in Hawaii to allow it to be bombed to smitherings or polluted by military waste. The health issues that Tane mentioned are killing Kanaka Maoli children here and now. There is a direct correlation between military occupation and the continued disenfranchisement of Kanaka Maoli from the land. Our military occupation makes us a sitting target for enemies of the U.S. like North Korea and to be affiliated with the U.S. makes us vulnerable to attack. How do we expect to resolve the issues that plague our people such as homelessness, poverty, poor health, incarceration, when these problems are symptomatic of our occupation? I don't believe we are endangering the next generation of Kanaka Maoli by fighting for Independence and de-occupation of the U.S. from Hawaii nei. I advocate for peace and to seperate from the war-mongers. We can't allow fear to override what is important for our nation.
"I do not mean treaties with other nations. Treaties are only as good as the paper they are written on. North Korea is an example."
***You mean U.S.A. since it's their M.O. to break treaties. It is the only one to break its treaty with us. It would be premature to state a foreign policy for the Kingdom since the seats are not yet filled to handle the affairs of state. It isn't wise to presume what it will do and what it won't. You aren't demonstrating any confidence in what the Hawaiian Kingdom is able to accomplish in the 21st century.
"Forced? None whom I know were forced to sign. They are not suffering from the StockholmSyndrome either. They agreed and signed to dedicate their life, time, and.or energy to the branch of the military."
*** There are many that DO suffer from Stockholme Syndrome and conditioned to live the lie. They are backhandedly forced to enlist because of lack of work. They are chased after by the military to join with promises it makes to those they try to enlist. They are told that's their only option to accomplish their dreams. Many believe they are fighting for freedom and democracy and we know that isn't true except for the industrial military complex and corporate desires which they want protected. The U.S. disregards the Nuremberg Compact and aggressively invades other countries; something we here are well aware of. The military will imprison and severely reprimand anyone who exercises their right to refuse to do anything immoral and illegal which the military is doing.
"I can understand IF one thinks that the U.S. military only does harm. People see what they want to see. If they look for good things then they will SEE good. If they look for bad then they will see bad. "
***How true; we are an example of that, eh Lana? LOL....
" However I am referring to the DEFENSE of OUR KEIKI. Few people seem to be concerned about that and instead are more concerned with focusing on the bad instead of on the good in our keiki such as their lives and their survival."
*** So here we have a matter of peception. It's not good to presume how many people are concerned or not. It's because we are concerned as much as our kupuna were back then that we fight to control what goes on in Hawaii and its relationship with the rest of the world. We should be able to determine that rather than a government over 4,000 miles away that is a foreign country. This doesn't mean that we can't build a respectful, good relations with the U.S. and other countries around the world. We have in the past and can again when we reclaim our status.
"No offense but it won't matter because some people are quick to kick the U.S. out BEFORE even considering our keikis' lives and survival. Or they do... but they just don't care."
*** There again it's being presumptuous.
"Actually for the last 34 years I have been contemplating this issue and still maintain that it is NOT wise to kick out the U.S. military." - Malama, Lana
***When I was a keiki, I wanted the U.S. military and the racist U.S. out of my country instead of forcing itself on us. I grew up around the military; some were neighbors. I still feel that way and won't accept that with the U.S. here is better than nothing. You come from both worlds and would be more acceptable looking more like a white person. What of our Hawaiians that don't look, think, or act like a white person? How will they be treated? What kind of damage will be done mentally, physically, and spiritually? Some Hawaiians are still attacked, threatened, and disrespected by the military people without Hawaiians instigating confrontations. Other ethnic groups have also been mistaken as Hawaiians by the military personnel so anything these other people do are blamed on us. Double standards have been used on us and and escalation of State assaults on Hawaiians while profiling, has been to shepard the resisters to the Akaka Bill to comply.
I look at my keiki and would fare better under the Kingdom of Hawai'i rather than under the racist U.S.A. bully.
You already know that I highly respect you and if you do a search for your name you will find what I wrote about you. However I disagree with one point and that is de-occupation.
***You mean U.S.A. since it's their M.O. to break treaties. It is the only one to break its treaty with us. It would be premature to state a foreign policy for the Kingdom since the seats are not yet filled to handle the affairs of state. It isn't wise to presume what it will do and what it won't. You aren't demonstrating any confidence in what the Hawaiian Kingdom is able to accomplish in the 21st century.
No.. though some people are focused on America... I'm not referring solely to the U.S. or about the Trail of Broken Treaties. There are other nations out there who have broken treaties. North Korea has violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. An example is that they signed it then withdrew from it in 2003:
Another example is how Israel violated peace treaties with the Palestinians. For example, the 1993 Oslo Peace Agreement was broken with the assassination of Israel Prime Minister Rabin by an Israeli right wing extremist in November 1995.
Treaties are ONLY as good as the paper they are written on. Easily signed. Easily broken.
"There are many that DO suffer from Stockholme Syndrome and conditioned to live the lie. They are backhandedly forced to enlist because of lack of work. They are chased after by the military to join with promises it makes to those they try to enlist. They are told that's their only option to accomplish their dreams. Many believe they are fighting for freedom and democracy and we know that isn't true except for the industrial military complex and corporate desires which they want protected."
No offense but all of those whom I know who served and/or are serving are doing so WILLINGLY and with their consent. This is difficult for some to accept but they are not being held captive nor do they identify with their "prisoners." The only people who are their prisoners are some of their own cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa who have the audacity to imply that their decision to survive is a bad one. They know it's not a bad thing for the iwi to survive.
***How true; we are an example of that, eh Lana? LOL....
It is obvious that we think differently which to me is not a bad thing. However my mana'o is an unpopular one which some people conflate to "traitor" but I do not give a rip what others think of me. When I donate to my causes though guess who 100% of the oiwi-based causes that I donate to goes to? Hawaiian children. (Nothing and no one will change my mind about that.)
*** So here we have a matter of peception. It's not good to presume how many people are concerned or not. It's because we are concerned as much as our kupuna were back then that we fight to control what goes on in Hawaii and its relationship with the rest of the world. We should be able to determine that rather than a government over 4,000 miles away that is a foreign country. This doesn't mean that we can't build a respectful, good relations with the U.S. and other countries around the world. We have in the past and can again when we reclaim our status.
No offense but I am not being presumptious. I can tell that some people are focused on America instead of on our keikii. This is obvious when the focus was on treaties with America. That is a sign that is what the person is focusing on. However other nations are ready to invade the aina. MANY of them have broken PEACE treaties that they 1) Agreed to abide by and 2) They SIGNED it and 3) Some BROKE the treay/ies that they signed which poses a threat to the security of the keiki For me it is and will always be HOW it will affect our keiki. This difference is obvious.
***When I was a keiki, I wanted the U.S. military and the racist U.S. out of my country instead of forcing itself on us. I grew up around the military; some were neighbors. I still feel that way and won't accept that with the U.S. here is better than nothing.
And I respect that mana'o and can understand but imagine how our keiki will feel without a good DEFENSE. That's another thing. Some people seem to be focused on the offense and not on the DEFENSE. And that is fine. However I think differently.
You come from both worlds and would be more acceptable looking more like a white person. What of our Hawaiians that don't look, think, or act like a white person? How will they be treated? What kind of damage will be done mentally, physically, and spiritually?
My father is super dark and have seen how some people treat him. However I am not discussing how they treat the adults. My concern is how they treat and/or will treat the keiki.
Some Hawaiians are still attacked, threatened, and disrespected by the military people without Hawaiians instigating confrontations. Other ethnic groups have also been mistaken as Hawaiians by the military personnel so anything these other people do are blamed on us. Double standards have been used on us and and escalation of State assaults on Hawaiians while profiling, has been to shepard the resisters to the Akaka Bill to comply.
There are some cool people and some UNCOOL people whether military or not but for me this discussion is not how bad they treat adults. I already know how some pricks can be to us and/or to the keiki but again... my focus of concern is on the survival of the iwi. THAT is in our keiki. Some people can focus on the U.S. military all they want. That is obvious. They can knock themselves out but like how I only donate to oiwi-based causes that go to keiki... my thoughts are and will ALWAYS be about the keiki not just mine but in KAKOU... ALL THE KEIKI.
I look at my keiki and would fare better under the Kingdom of Hawai'i rather than under the racist U.S.A. bully.
That is fine if you think that way but there are some other oiwi who ku'e (think/stand/act/etc) differently.
For those of us who are against the de-occupation of the U.S. military, we disagree.
Our keiki will be alive and be able to survive with the F-15, F-35, etc as DEFENSIVE weaponry but then I am a member of the NRA. I believe in SELF defense while some people seem to focus on their hatred for the U.S. which is obvious when some people resort to argumentum ad hominem instead of agreeing to disagree with maturity like how you are which is refreshing because some people lack maturity when discussing issues so I ignore them. However my mana'o has always been this way even since I was a little girl.
Ola na iwi... the bones live... in the keiki collectively not just in MY keiki... so of course I do not advocate that U.S. de-occupy because of the high probability that the iwi/bones will be destroyed.. and I never will.
ALOHA Kakou, e Hawaii, The Hawaiian Kingdom was able to deal it's Foreign Realtions without go to WAR. Even when United States thru an "Act of War" invaded and occuped Hawaii, Queen Liliuokalani did not send her people to War with the Unted States. Queen Liliuokalani has hoped that after an investigation the United States would have done what England did in the 1843 and rercognized the Independence of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka Aina I Ka Pono speak of Hawaiian Sovereignty over the Lands of Hawaii, o Pomaiokalani, SOVEREIGN, HPACH
That would be highly presumptuous to say that those pushing for de-occupation do not have a plan. The Kingdom of Hawai'i has a neutrality status and treaties that maintained it's safety and protection. The only country to break that treaty and remain here till today, has been the U.S.A. It is common sense that we reaffirm that status and regain the treaties that were established and ratified by those countries and secure treaties with new countries that we didn't have treaties with.
What is ironic is that you assume the lives of the keiki are not at risk today under the U.S. occupation. Many have been forced to fight the wars created by the U.S.A. The fact that their training and dumping of toxic wastes in our islands is a health hazard for our keiki and already have put them at risk and in harm's way. Right now on the leeward coast, the cancer rate has risen dramatcially, especially in the Waianae and Nanakuli area. The death rate has increased due to Leukemia and other cancer which many claim derived from the DU and other toxic waste left by the military. Several years ago, a pastor in that area noticed the increase just in his congregation alone. These were families that previously had no history of leukemia and other cancers. This is not theory, opinions, but facts.
The other factor is the presence of the U.S. military in Hawai'i makes them a target which the islanders will suffer for. Hawai'i is the most densely, concentrated armed place in the world with missile targeted towards all places surrounding the perimeter of the Pacific that the U.S. considers their enemy and threat to the interests of the U.S.A. It's a catastrophy waiting to happen which the civilians would be collateral damage. Military presence in Hawai'i means we are put in harm's way.
Hilo was created a nuclear-free zone and the military was able to override them. There have been at least three major nuclear accidents in Hawai'i's territory and hazardous experiments and testing of those chemical warfare that have already affected lives of residents, even in Hilo since 1967. The navy "accidently" shot a round of DU weapon into the hills of Aiea. A few years ago, a child was playing in one of the streams and got stabbed by some syringes that they traced to Tripler Army General Hospital which someone "inadvertently" tossed or dropped into the stream which wended its way down below some miles away where children were playing. Some ammunitions and blasting caps were found a couple of years ago on the leeward coast beaches which were dumped off-shore several decades ago and drifted ashore where families go swimming.
I and many people have heard them use that argument in the past that Hawai'i is expendable. Most recently about five years ago when they wanted to do CO2 dumping in our waters a few miles out. Inouye had approved nuclear waste dump on Johnson Island where they had already did a nuclear test in the sixties. Time will tell how safe that will be for our future keiki.
It would be best to rethink that position your taking as the military operations in Hawai'i already affect the lives of our keiki.
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Thank you for your heart felt posting, I really appreciated your partnership. Universally, I don't know how to work with national diversity, it takes a lot of work. The out come is suppose to be unity, but those of us that are nation ethnic (native Hawaiian) end up with the short end of the stick. Why, because in our Hawaiian communities, from my perspective, the woes are state generated and the non-profits leach these data woes for their gain/existence again.
Keeping in step with the blog title, the US block grantors maintain a distance between the woes and the grants. Money spent, grant ends and the woes ballon into a tree of triple social ills. The social ill data becomes the next grant, all over again and this phenomenon is by revolving state design. My conclusion, is trying to educate one's family and community to see the problems with open eyes are the difficulties that we are struggling with in these times, but not impossible to do. Sorry for the yada yada, we can run our own lives and nation and do a better job at it too! Mahalo for your thoughts, Kaohi
wow, to hold the words of grace in a dicussion can be very challenging, however my hands out to all of you, for we are all reading and learning at the same time of the different idea's of all that has a difference of opionion. The Question is safety, and the benefit of our next generations to come.
keep in mind while we are discussing this very issue, the news papers in the past week have this state hororing the Japan Leaders, as they check our the lands and view our sacred 'aina. Imagine what is flowing through their minds. I thank Tane, Lana, Kaohi and the others of concerns to raise up issues that not to much is of matter to others on our Kingdom Hawaiian Islands, it is issues of discussion that keep all of us alert of what surrounds us today and how it will effect our next generations that is coming very soon.
my many more blessings to the wealth of knowledge that can be brought forward in our times with much GRACE and RESPECT to one another. until we all meet in unity.......Mahalo Ke Akua........~da princess~
As a matter of fact speaking of handmaids, last night SCHHA just handed down the plan--which is CNHA's handle: progressive, corporate, and development. I inturned asked for air, sea, wind, BTU's and that pissed off SCHHA, but it bought time, leveled the playing field, and hightened the level of thinking into the future. Our Senator, proposed that we prostitute and pimp our open land space, good grief! I don't know what's to come of our future, it all depends on the amount of handmaid 'thinkers' in my community. Accordingly, the US democracy-voting verses Monarchy reared it's ugly head again. But, maybe the League of Women voters can step in, thanks to Hanalei at the Iolani Palace.
The military are opala beach combers ( a long high wave that crashes onto our Hawaii shores) they have no vested interest in Hawaii. As for 911 attack, although we new about it's coming, I was at odds that the military has a 'no act' for 48 hours. Was these acts preventable 911 nor Pearl Harbor, hell yeah! By the way, the terroist did a test run to Hawaii and failed using a spring from a pen, batteries from one camera, and liquid stuff it was intercepted by 'local boy' style of intelligence.
So military de-occupation is the only way to go, as in yanky go home and take care your families, land and get educated on things like global warming. Pacific Islanders 'undah da sea' not for real okay, it's fantasy not futuristic! Mahalo everyone-- Kaohi
***You mean U.S.A. since it's their M.O. to break treaties. It is the only one to break its treaty with us. It would be premature to state a foreign policy for the Kingdom since the seats are not yet filled to handle the affairs of state. It isn't wise to presume what it will do and what it won't. You aren't demonstrating any confidence in what the Hawaiian Kingdom is able to accomplish in the 21st century.
"Forced? None whom I know were forced to sign. They are not suffering from the StockholmSyndrome either. They agreed and signed to dedicate their life, time, and.or energy to the branch of the military."
*** There are many that DO suffer from Stockholme Syndrome and conditioned to live the lie. They are backhandedly forced to enlist because of lack of work. They are chased after by the military to join with promises it makes to those they try to enlist. They are told that's their only option to accomplish their dreams. Many believe they are fighting for freedom and democracy and we know that isn't true except for the industrial military complex and corporate desires which they want protected. The U.S. disregards the Nuremberg Compact and aggressively invades other countries; something we here are well aware of. The military will imprison and severely reprimand anyone who exercises their right to refuse to do anything immoral and illegal which the military is doing.
"I can understand IF one thinks that the U.S. military only does harm. People see what they want to see. If they look for good things then they will SEE good. If they look for bad then they will see bad. "
***How true; we are an example of that, eh Lana? LOL....
" However I am referring to the DEFENSE of OUR KEIKI. Few people seem to be concerned about that and instead are more concerned with focusing on the bad instead of on the good in our keiki such as their lives and their survival."
*** So here we have a matter of peception. It's not good to presume how many people are concerned or not. It's because we are concerned as much as our kupuna were back then that we fight to control what goes on in Hawaii and its relationship with the rest of the world. We should be able to determine that rather than a government over 4,000 miles away that is a foreign country. This doesn't mean that we can't build a respectful, good relations with the U.S. and other countries around the world. We have in the past and can again when we reclaim our status.
"No offense but it won't matter because some people are quick to kick the U.S. out BEFORE even considering our keikis' lives and survival. Or they do... but they just don't care."
*** There again it's being presumptuous.
"Actually for the last 34 years I have been contemplating this issue and still maintain that it is NOT wise to kick out the U.S. military." - Malama, Lana
***When I was a keiki, I wanted the U.S. military and the racist U.S. out of my country instead of forcing itself on us. I grew up around the military; some were neighbors. I still feel that way and won't accept that with the U.S. here is better than nothing. You come from both worlds and would be more acceptable looking more like a white person. What of our Hawaiians that don't look, think, or act like a white person? How will they be treated? What kind of damage will be done mentally, physically, and spiritually? Some Hawaiians are still attacked, threatened, and disrespected by the military people without Hawaiians instigating confrontations. Other ethnic groups have also been mistaken as Hawaiians by the military personnel so anything these other people do are blamed on us. Double standards have been used on us and and escalation of State assaults on Hawaiians while profiling, has been to shepard the resisters to the Akaka Bill to comply.
I look at my keiki and would fare better under the Kingdom of Hawai'i rather than under the racist U.S.A. bully.
You already know that I highly respect you and if you do a search for your name you will find what I wrote about you. However I disagree with one point and that is de-occupation.
***You mean U.S.A. since it's their M.O. to break treaties. It is the only one to break its treaty with us. It would be premature to state a foreign policy for the Kingdom since the seats are not yet filled to handle the affairs of state. It isn't wise to presume what it will do and what it won't. You aren't demonstrating any confidence in what the Hawaiian Kingdom is able to accomplish in the 21st century.
No.. though some people are focused on America... I'm not referring solely to the U.S. or about the Trail of Broken Treaties. There are other nations out there who have broken treaties. North Korea has violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. An example is that they signed it then withdrew from it in 2003:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/
Another example is how Israel violated peace treaties with the Palestinians. For example, the 1993 Oslo Peace Agreement was broken with the assassination of Israel Prime Minister Rabin by an Israeli right wing extremist in November 1995.
Treaties are ONLY as good as the paper they are written on. Easily signed. Easily broken.
"There are many that DO suffer from Stockholme Syndrome and conditioned to live the lie. They are backhandedly forced to enlist because of lack of work. They are chased after by the military to join with promises it makes to those they try to enlist. They are told that's their only option to accomplish their dreams. Many believe they are fighting for freedom and democracy and we know that isn't true except for the industrial military complex and corporate desires which they want protected."
No offense but all of those whom I know who served and/or are serving are doing so WILLINGLY and with their consent. This is difficult for some to accept but they are not being held captive nor do they identify with their "prisoners." The only people who are their prisoners are some of their own cousins through Wakea, Papa, and Haloa who have the audacity to imply that their decision to survive is a bad one. They know it's not a bad thing for the iwi to survive.
***How true; we are an example of that, eh Lana? LOL....
It is obvious that we think differently which to me is not a bad thing. However my mana'o is an unpopular one which some people conflate to "traitor" but I do not give a rip what others think of me. When I donate to my causes though guess who 100% of the oiwi-based causes that I donate to goes to? Hawaiian children. (Nothing and no one will change my mind about that.)
*** So here we have a matter of peception. It's not good to presume how many people are concerned or not. It's because we are concerned as much as our kupuna were back then that we fight to control what goes on in Hawaii and its relationship with the rest of the world. We should be able to determine that rather than a government over 4,000 miles away that is a foreign country. This doesn't mean that we can't build a respectful, good relations with the U.S. and other countries around the world. We have in the past and can again when we reclaim our status.
No offense but I am not being presumptious. I can tell that some people are focused on America instead of on our keikii. This is obvious when the focus was on treaties with America. That is a sign that is what the person is focusing on. However other nations are ready to invade the aina. MANY of them have broken PEACE treaties that they 1) Agreed to abide by and 2) They SIGNED it and 3) Some BROKE the treay/ies that they signed which poses a threat to the security of the keiki For me it is and will always be HOW it will affect our keiki. This difference is obvious.
***When I was a keiki, I wanted the U.S. military and the racist U.S. out of my country instead of forcing itself on us. I grew up around the military; some were neighbors. I still feel that way and won't accept that with the U.S. here is better than nothing.
And I respect that mana'o and can understand but imagine how our keiki will feel without a good DEFENSE. That's another thing. Some people seem to be focused on the offense and not on the DEFENSE. And that is fine. However I think differently.
You come from both worlds and would be more acceptable looking more like a white person. What of our Hawaiians that don't look, think, or act like a white person? How will they be treated? What kind of damage will be done mentally, physically, and spiritually?
My father is super dark and have seen how some people treat him. However I am not discussing how they treat the adults. My concern is how they treat and/or will treat the keiki.
Some Hawaiians are still attacked, threatened, and disrespected by the military people without Hawaiians instigating confrontations. Other ethnic groups have also been mistaken as Hawaiians by the military personnel so anything these other people do are blamed on us. Double standards have been used on us and and escalation of State assaults on Hawaiians while profiling, has been to shepard the resisters to the Akaka Bill to comply.
There are some cool people and some UNCOOL people whether military or not but for me this discussion is not how bad they treat adults. I already know how some pricks can be to us and/or to the keiki but again... my focus of concern is on the survival of the iwi. THAT is in our keiki. Some people can focus on the U.S. military all they want. That is obvious. They can knock themselves out but like how I only donate to oiwi-based causes that go to keiki... my thoughts are and will ALWAYS be about the keiki not just mine but in KAKOU... ALL THE KEIKI.
I look at my keiki and would fare better under the Kingdom of Hawai'i rather than under the racist U.S.A. bully.
That is fine if you think that way but there are some other oiwi who ku'e (think/stand/act/etc) differently.
For those of us who are against the de-occupation of the U.S. military, we disagree.
Our keiki will be alive and be able to survive with the F-15, F-35, etc as DEFENSIVE weaponry but then I am a member of the NRA. I believe in SELF defense while some people seem to focus on their hatred for the U.S. which is obvious when some people resort to argumentum ad hominem instead of agreeing to disagree with maturity like how you are which is refreshing because some people lack maturity when discussing issues so I ignore them. However my mana'o has always been this way even since I was a little girl.
Ola na iwi... the bones live... in the keiki collectively not just in MY keiki... so of course I do not advocate that U.S. de-occupy because of the high probability that the iwi/bones will be destroyed.. and I never will.
Malama, Lana
That would be highly presumptuous to say that those pushing for de-occupation do not have a plan. The Kingdom of Hawai'i has a neutrality status and treaties that maintained it's safety and protection. The only country to break that treaty and remain here till today, has been the U.S.A. It is common sense that we reaffirm that status and regain the treaties that were established and ratified by those countries and secure treaties with new countries that we didn't have treaties with.
What is ironic is that you assume the lives of the keiki are not at risk today under the U.S. occupation. Many have been forced to fight the wars created by the U.S.A. The fact that their training and dumping of toxic wastes in our islands is a health hazard for our keiki and already have put them at risk and in harm's way. Right now on the leeward coast, the cancer rate has risen dramatcially, especially in the Waianae and Nanakuli area. The death rate has increased due to Leukemia and other cancer which many claim derived from the DU and other toxic waste left by the military. Several years ago, a pastor in that area noticed the increase just in his congregation alone. These were families that previously had no history of leukemia and other cancers. This is not theory, opinions, but facts.
The other factor is the presence of the U.S. military in Hawai'i makes them a target which the islanders will suffer for. Hawai'i is the most densely, concentrated armed place in the world with missile targeted towards all places surrounding the perimeter of the Pacific that the U.S. considers their enemy and threat to the interests of the U.S.A. It's a catastrophy waiting to happen which the civilians would be collateral damage. Military presence in Hawai'i means we are put in harm's way.
Hilo was created a nuclear-free zone and the military was able to override them. There have been at least three major nuclear accidents in Hawai'i's territory and hazardous experiments and testing of those chemical warfare that have already affected lives of residents, even in Hilo since 1967. The navy "accidently" shot a round of DU weapon into the hills of Aiea. A few years ago, a child was playing in one of the streams and got stabbed by some syringes that they traced to Tripler Army General Hospital which someone "inadvertently" tossed or dropped into the stream which wended its way down below some miles away where children were playing. Some ammunitions and blasting caps were found a couple of years ago on the leeward coast beaches which were dumped off-shore several decades ago and drifted ashore where families go swimming.
I and many people have heard them use that argument in the past that Hawai'i is expendable. Most recently about five years ago when they wanted to do CO2 dumping in our waters a few miles out. Inouye had approved nuclear waste dump on Johnson Island where they had already did a nuclear test in the sixties. Time will tell how safe that will be for our future keiki.
It would be best to rethink that position your taking as the military operations in Hawai'i already affect the lives of our keiki.
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