Posted by Tane on December 18, 2008 at 12:46am in Politics
...This young man, Sam, comes to visit you and you invite him into your house, feed him, house him. He sees what you have and wants it. He plans to take it from you but acts like a friend. He invites is family to join him and you accommodate him thinking he misses his family although he has his own home far away.
When you are not looking, Sam attacks you and you become bed-ridden for a while as he takes over your household, resources, and job, telling others that you gave him the responsibility of the estate and your family. He goes on to further tell others that you wanted to be adopted into his family and that he will conduct all business regarding your interest. He then tells you that it was an accident and he didn't mean to hurt you; but will help you get better and be part of his family.
As you are healing, he begins to tell you that you must now listen to him and obey him since he has the power to make things better for you and will protect you from his friends with his body guards. You keep telling him, he has to leave and also his friends; and that you can handle your own affairs as you have done before his arrival. You accuse him of attacking and injuring you which he admits and apologizes for it; yet still he refuses to leave. You want to take him to court and he adamantly refuses to have the courts settle this dispute.
Meanwhile, he has bought newer furniture and brought in more of his family to live on your estate and in your house. They run the living room, the dining room, the kitchen, the bathroom and the multi-bedrooms. They even leased or sold part of you lands to other farmers and developers. He tells you, you can use one of the smaller rooms since he took over the master bedroom and that you may use the bathroom only certain times of the day.
You find out he has taken your money, land, house and that he will stock the food you will eat and the clothes you wear. You will now work for him as he is master of your estate. His family is upset with you for being an ingrate and not realizing that Sam has graciously adopted you into his family. You tell them that they will have to leave as well. This enrages them because they have invested a lot of time and money in making the place a nice, liveable estate to suit themselves and they'ed be damned if they are going to give it up. You tell them you are going to take them all to court and they laugh at you.
You finally have your day in court, you get your estate back and they are evicted. They are horrified at the decision of the court. Sam, convicted from stealing the estate, is removed from it; then you give his family and leasees the option to stay, but under your terms. You've moved into the master bedroom and take over the manor and estate once again. Lands sold from you without consent is returned back to you and you give them a choice of leasing it from you. Some decide to stay and the rest leave your estate. They decide to take Sam to court to reclaim what they lost through his criminal actions.
You put your estate back in order and tell Sam that if he wants to deal with you, it will be under your terms and not his. You thank him for the new furnishings which you may replace and redecorate the mansion as you see fit. Then there is a business of back rent you will assess him for restitution and reparations of damages he incurred on your property while he used it for his own personal gains.
Sam's actions has apalled the community -at-large and demand he makes atonement for his criminal actions against one of his neighbors. If Sam wants to remain in good standing within the community and do business with them, he will have to abide by their decision or go on without their cooperation or involvement. Sam will have no other recourse than to abide by them.
If you were Sam, what would you do? And if it were you being tread upon, what would you do?
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With due respect...that's all and fine with respect to our "Land Title" and to some extent the issue of our "Nationality" When anyone takes money...and in this case from the people who are the rightful/lawful heirs to the Land Title.....in distress and financial crisis....and knowingly promotes a remedy that is esoteric and untested....it is "PREYING"!"
She took money from many good people and left them with a scam.
She (MVO) can give the people she scamed back their money...she's no better than the missionaries, Lingle, Bennett and OHA!
....and I don't think it's fair or appropriate for you to compare her with Keanu. Two very seperate individuals. I take you comparing MVO to Keanu as an offensive attempt to legitimize MVO' and her dispicable actions.
Lets see how MVO's Drama plays out in the coming months....and if I were you, I'd seriously and urgently consider cutting my loses with MVO and move on.
With all due respect my comparison with Oliver and Sai is due to both of them pointing out that the Hawaiian Kingdom has jurisdiction... NOT the U.S. While I think she is doing the right thing in challenging the status quo I have YET to mention that she should not have exposed any oiwi to lose their land. I mentioned her with Keanu because both of them challenge the status quo.
Please note that I do NOT advocate telling people to stop paying their mortgage after they signed a legally binding document in which they agreed to let the mortgagee place a lien on their property. Like I mentioned... they signed a legally BINDING document when they signed for their mortgage and if they do not pay then the mortgagee can and WILL take their property since the mortgagee agreed to place their land as collateral and agreed to the mortgagee placing a lien against their property until the mortgage is paid off.
Again I do NOT advocate that oiwi stop paying their mortgage and/or their property taxes until the matter is resolved. However both Sai and Oliver have a common denominator in that
1) the Hawaiian Kingdom exists and
2) EVERYTHING in Hawai'i falls under Hawaiian Kingdom jurisdiction.
There is NOTHING wrong with doing both so I am not sure why they is misinterpreted to mean that it is disrespectful to Keanu.
However she exposed some oiwi to losing their land and thus home. That is something I would NEVER do.
On the part of those who chose to do as she suggested... time will tell what will happen to all parties involved.= bu tthe greatest risk is to leave the status quo unchallenged. BOTH Sai and Oliver are challenging the status quo where the U.S. and some of its representatives mistakenly think that they have jurisdiction. (They don't.)
It seems as though you think she is a scammer.... time will tell what will happen and if the U.S. courts find her guilty but her confronting the U.S. does not correlate with her trying to scam people. THE scam is representatives of the U.S. claiming that their names are on the title.
As for those oiwi who signed up for what she was offering... again they signed LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENTS with some American companies agreeing to allow them to place liens against their property. They will be held accountable for that by the mortgagee(s). Oliver will be held accountable too. If it was me then I would NEVER expose other oiwi to losing their land. EVER.
But she is doing the right thing in challenging and confronting the status quo. Then again I believe that the degree to which you avoid confronting something or someone like the U.S. is the degree to which you have allowed that person or thing to have power over you.
Ultimately she will answer to the U.S. courts but she has the right idea. However the execution of her idea has resulted in some oiwi losing their land and home. I have only recently addressed that. To me to refer to her as a "scammer" is ridiculous considering that some reps of the U.S. are the REAL scammers. She challenged the status quo. I do not fault her for that. However the U.S. and the FBI will come after her with a vengeance and so will those oiwi who lost their home but the next time another oiwi challenges jurisdiction in Hawai'ii chances are it will be a little easier next time. Oiwi have to start SOMEWHERE... which is what Keanu did to. He started SOMEWHERE instead of sitting on his butt waiting for something to happen.
Bash her all you want but I give her SOME credit for challenging the status quo of America and of SOME Americans acting like they have jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Kingdom when they have NO jurisdiction. They are illegally occupying the Hawaiian Kingdom so as you can see... to ME it is a compliment whenever someone stands up for that mana'o.
Mahalo for your clarification. I agree with your mana`o with one exception (being honest) and that is MVO's actions and credibility, for they affect all kanaka maoli confronting the hewa and occupiers collectively.
I see her actions in regards to her challenging the status quo as insincere and misleading. I say this from personal experience and first-hand knowledge.
...being dragged into the occupiers court is one thing, but filing complaints and seeking/expecting remedy by the same judical court/system is contradictory to say the least.
If anyone is to send men/women into harms way (brutal war)...that 'anyone' better be the FIRST in line when the shooting starts...that's the difference I was refering to between Keanu and MVO.
...calling it in black and white and frankly she does not reflect upon us well now or at anytime soon in the foreseeable future.
Ekala mai and like I mentioned in the other thread I had a feeling that Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana or someone very close to him somehow lost their land due to some bad advice or perhaps were led to do something that perhaps they should not have done based on perhaps bad advice. I do not blame them at all nor do I blame Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana for feeling the way he does. For me if *you* mess with family... das it and he is only trying to protect his family. I give him props for dat because it reflects highly on his kupuna.
I just wish he would have posted what he very recently posted only because I had a feeling in my na'au that that is what happened. For whatever reason some oiwi lost their land. Perhaps some of them are ashamed for trusting the iwi in another oiwi but to me there is NO shame in what they did in trusting the iwi in another oiwi. I'm not naive either. I have had a few bad experiences with other oiwi but these oiwi's actions do not conflate to all oiwi-s' actions.
As for Oliver... I have mixed feelings about her. On one hand she knows about royal patents and that some title in Hawai'i still have encumbrances and the U.S. and corporations know it. On the other if one oiwi like Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana feels "hurt" in any way and/or an oiwi lost something that meant something to them... then to me it is important.
That is why I deleted my initial response to Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana. If someone messed with my family then heads would roll and I would go for the jugular whether oiwi or non-oiwi. I do not blame him at all for reacting that way....
I find it odd...no not odd, maybe a question as to why with Uncle's story here, there is discussion of Ms. Ventura-Oliver...I must have missed something from other blogs or forums...excuse me for "thinking out loud". Whomever is doing, whatever is happening here there is some awakening or rumbling going on...I noticed this with another forum with Mr. Blaisdell's thoughts.
Foster and Mr. Blaisdell are experiencing some issues with Ms. Ventura-Oliver and I believe others are not truly aware as to what is happening but still able to express their concern noting we must be aware of some wrongdoing and from what I gather, it is happening sometime next month in court. Maybe it's a mistaken identity from media, maybe It is more to this than we know personally...However, it is their issue they are facing and it is disheartening to hear this but for some reason we are being exposed to their pain and suffering...all we can do here is listen and wait for both sides. Whether we are educated or maybe forwarned of any wrongdoing, that is for each individual to decide.
Here in Kohala, unless you hear it from the mouth of those in the storm...which means in a nutshell, "From the horses mouth." you have nothing. We call it makani...wind of gossip when the wind blows in a destinct manner and "for a reason". I truly feel the wind here in this forum.... Gossip is rumors and rumors are lies and until you hear it from the person, from their heart, it is then their truth and word they stand on.... For me, I'm curious as to the outcome with all the rumblings here so I wait. What I hear from those involved in a court dispute, it is a koko vs koko issue...in respect, because we don't know what is happening but they are free to voice themselves we should only hear what is going on...the listening part will come together. I hope there is no deception and that truth of heart will prevail. For no matter what the ruling is on this court issue, the facts of those in truth - not on paper, but in heart... is where it all matters. One's word is one's word and THAT no one can take away from you. Only you can take away from your words for your words are your integrity - how I was raised, a persons word is better than any paper filed anywhere and if you are witness or have witnessed this yourself, more power to you.
Mahalo for allowing me to speak...for I am only a crosswind to this of which I see....Malama Pono.
Foster > HALE O KEAWE-A-HEULU aka: NAIHEDecember 24, 2008 at 12:41pm
???? It's hard to follow this olelo...the issue is not about eha. it is about INTEGRITY. And yes, it is always better to speak to the horses mouth...and not the horses okole.
I can only speak for myself and not Mr. K. B;aisdell, but for the record...I have had first-hand experience and knowledge with MVO...and all that I express about MVO...figuritively speaking is 'from the horses mouth' and not its okole.
nrv8n8.....aside from your "opinons" do you have any first-hand experience, knowledge, FACTS and dealings with Mahealani Ventura-Oliver?
Don't get stuck in the drama....my intent and purpose for expressing my thoughts and experience about MVO is so no one else (innocent) is taken advantaged of/scamed by MVO...and yes, I am using my real name here and not hiding behind screen names.
Maka`ala....the last thing MVO said to me before I walked away from here hewa was "...'the people didn't need to know everything (what to expect in court), I just need followers."
I see your pain and only acknowledge the suffering and understand. I'm not stuck in the drama, I am only trying to make sense of all the forum and blogs on Ms. Ventura-Oliver.
Huui...I don't hide behind screen names...NRV8N8 was once my license plate here on the big island. If you look on my page you will understand the meaning behind what it means. Prior to that my plate was W8N2XL (waiting to exhale...or the ability to breathe...HA) Each time I went through a personal spiritual experience my plate changed...I now have plates that contribute yearly fees to a nonprofit organization that provides assistance for native hawaiian children under the Ke Ali'i Foundation/KS.
As to your question, "....nrv8n8.....aside from your "opinons" do you have any first-hand experience, knowledge, FACTS and dealings with Mahealani Ventura-Oliver?"
My answer to you is YES, on the last contested case hearing I had on PAO'O - please view it on my page. However you will find there is no information on our communication. I was protecting a sacred site on PAO'O. Mahealani and her ohana claimed to be direct lineal descendants - I knew and provided to the case and to the Hawaiian Island Buriel Counsel the lineal descendants from Kohala - I did not know of Mahealani and her 'ohana and found later she was not a direct tie into the family I knew. This is according to the genealogy of the family I was assisting on their PAO'O case. I stayed out of the family politics as it was not my place. My issue was to protect, preserve and be in conservation of the land there as also the wishes of the family. No touch, no move, no do nothing but leave it as it is.
Long story short I did not want to withdraw my contested case on PAO'O especially protecting the gravesite of Ali'i Kauwe. I was asked by Mahealani if I wanted to be a caretaker of the property due to what my nonprofit was able to provide under our mission statement. We did not discuss it fully as I could not make a decision of this as our next goal was to protect and preserve the Mahukona lands after PAO'O.
I was introduced to Mahealani initially through a meeting way over a year ago to hear about what she could do as a possible strategy for us on the Mahukona issue after PAO'O. Our groups who gathered KAKO'O, myself and others did not want to do work with Mahealani due to the cost issue and not sure if the venue to take was a sure thing to stop the development. Due to cost, we optioned not to entertain the thought of filing for any title/patents, or whatever paperwork could be done for us as expressed by Mahealani.
Mahealani's group/representatives showed an interest on the PAO'O project on their own and approached the Ali'i Kauwe family I knew. The short version of the story I got from the family I represented was that they wanted their father (now deceased) to sign some papers. Family was not comfortable and optioned not to join them on whatever paperwork Mahealani filed or was to file...not my kuleana. Remember, there was no ties to them in genealogy as was told to me by the family I knew and represented. There was also an issue on blameshifting who did what to the property (put in waterpipes and water tanks compromising the sacred sites of the area which only my nonprofit and those organizations I've work closely with knew EXACTLY what archaeological characteristics were there before Mahealani's group visited the site - it changed after their visit leaving what I will call as opala. No discussion on this further is needed. I believe the people I represented and the people I have worked years on preservation issues here in Kohala if they say they did not desecrate a sacred site - we're from Kohala and we all know we don't so such a thing NO FOOL AROUND WIT DA KINE STUFF. I leave it as that.
During the hearing sessions we were asked under oath if we knew who put in the waterlines/left a water tank, moved rocks, opened the enclosure of Ali'i Kauwe's gravesite and all questioned there from Kohala had no direct link to placement of these foreign objects. I asked questions and was given one side, the family I knew gave their side. Someone is not fessing up the truth and only the land and Ke Akua knows...I leave it at that.
For me personally, I'm pissed off as to what I saw there in March, 2008. I asked the questions of who did it when I was told - there was blameshift. That area was protected by a diety and to move rocks, open an enclosure of a gravesite or put in infrastructure is a no no...so who did it? Hmmm I care to let the land and Ke Akua take care of that one...I leave it at that.
I am a follower of truth, compassion, preservation, authentication, conservation of all that is koko. And I only follow along in the posts that are presented here in forums and blogs that interest me for a reason. I leave it at that...Foster, mahalo for your passion and what you stand for in whom you are.
Malama Pono from Kohala.
Foster > HALE O KEAWE-A-HEULU aka: NAIHEDecember 24, 2008 at 7:29pm
To Kohala....pololoe. Maopopo ia oe. E kala mai ia`u for my hard-impassioned responses. I do care and will speak up from my naau....especially for those like all my tupunas that could not/did not speak up for themselves during their time on this earth....it's the least I can do for them with the time left for me.
I say this with sincerity....may you and your ohana enjoy the time together.
No worries Foster, no worries...hardness is good keeps the passion alive and I know you do care and will speak up from your na'au, I don't expect anything less of ;you or anyone else here on maoliworld...we are here to communicate, make known, make understanding, make peace and aloha. Yes, we all do need to speak up...if you did not call me out and ASK me of my experience you and everyone else here in the open would not have known what I have known and experienced first hand.
Again, whatever is the outcome in the next few months with Mr. Blaisdell in his court issue with Ms. Ventura-Oliver...what one speaks from the heart is integrity - what one files in paperwork without the truth in heart for THE GOOD OF ALL CONCERNED, well the tenfold return on what is wrong and done wrong by anyone is not a good thing. Make my heart sore when I hear koko fighting on land issues - but truth always prevails in the end..it is never failing...it only makes known what should be known.
We are all being educated here on maoliworld on different levels...the more we share with actions behind what we do, much can be accomplished in the end for the common good.
In regards to Uncle Tane's ONCE UPON A TIME, I will end it with...."And we all lived happily ever after...AMEN"....(((SMILE...hugs too)))
If I were Sam noting I have no other recourse but abide, I do so graciously to save face.
If I were Sam noting I have no other recourse but abide, I do so ingraciously and strategize with my crooked deeds and friends and continue to want to steal. For the role of Sam it all depends on the conciousness - does he want to make right the wrong and tired of the fight or does he want to truly want to continue the lie...If Sam surrounds him with people who are morally upright, just the presence alone of good decent people in his life can open the door for Sam to make room for change and do what it right.....so here it depends on the "company one keeps".
If I was being tread upon, I would act as if I didn't know what was happening and a strategy to work towards the effort of "Sam didn't know what hit him" and conquor the situation and take back what is rightfully mine and make sure proper procedures were taken to make sure Sam is due what is coming to him by law. Not to dwell on the pain or point finger at the wrong but go about my business to make sure everything is done KINA'OLE style.
Mahalo for this story and allowing me to share my thoughts....SMILE
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She took money from many good people and left them with a scam.
She (MVO) can give the people she scamed back their money...she's no better than the missionaries, Lingle, Bennett and OHA!
....and I don't think it's fair or appropriate for you to compare her with Keanu. Two very seperate individuals. I take you comparing MVO to Keanu as an offensive attempt to legitimize MVO' and her dispicable actions.
Lets see how MVO's Drama plays out in the coming months....and if I were you, I'd seriously and urgently consider cutting my loses with MVO and move on.
With all due respect my comparison with Oliver and Sai is due to both of them pointing out that the Hawaiian Kingdom has jurisdiction... NOT the U.S. While I think she is doing the right thing in challenging the status quo I have YET to mention that she should not have exposed any oiwi to lose their land. I mentioned her with Keanu because both of them challenge the status quo.
Please note that I do NOT advocate telling people to stop paying their mortgage after they signed a legally binding document in which they agreed to let the mortgagee place a lien on their property. Like I mentioned... they signed a legally BINDING document when they signed for their mortgage and if they do not pay then the mortgagee can and WILL take their property since the mortgagee agreed to place their land as collateral and agreed to the mortgagee placing a lien against their property until the mortgage is paid off.
Again I do NOT advocate that oiwi stop paying their mortgage and/or their property taxes until the matter is resolved. However both Sai and Oliver have a common denominator in that
1) the Hawaiian Kingdom exists and
2) EVERYTHING in Hawai'i falls under Hawaiian Kingdom jurisdiction.
There is NOTHING wrong with doing both so I am not sure why they is misinterpreted to mean that it is disrespectful to Keanu.
However she exposed some oiwi to losing their land and thus home. That is something I would NEVER do.
On the part of those who chose to do as she suggested... time will tell what will happen to all parties involved.= bu tthe greatest risk is to leave the status quo unchallenged. BOTH Sai and Oliver are challenging the status quo where the U.S. and some of its representatives mistakenly think that they have jurisdiction. (They don't.)
It seems as though you think she is a scammer.... time will tell what will happen and if the U.S. courts find her guilty but her confronting the U.S. does not correlate with her trying to scam people. THE scam is representatives of the U.S. claiming that their names are on the title.
As for those oiwi who signed up for what she was offering... again they signed LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENTS with some American companies agreeing to allow them to place liens against their property. They will be held accountable for that by the mortgagee(s). Oliver will be held accountable too. If it was me then I would NEVER expose other oiwi to losing their land. EVER.
But she is doing the right thing in challenging and confronting the status quo. Then again I believe that the degree to which you avoid confronting something or someone like the U.S. is the degree to which you have allowed that person or thing to have power over you.
Ultimately she will answer to the U.S. courts but she has the right idea. However the execution of her idea has resulted in some oiwi losing their land and home. I have only recently addressed that. To me to refer to her as a "scammer" is ridiculous considering that some reps of the U.S. are the REAL scammers. She challenged the status quo. I do not fault her for that. However the U.S. and the FBI will come after her with a vengeance and so will those oiwi who lost their home but the next time another oiwi challenges jurisdiction in Hawai'ii chances are it will be a little easier next time. Oiwi have to start SOMEWHERE... which is what Keanu did to. He started SOMEWHERE instead of sitting on his butt waiting for something to happen.
Bash her all you want but I give her SOME credit for challenging the status quo of America and of SOME Americans acting like they have jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Kingdom when they have NO jurisdiction. They are illegally occupying the Hawaiian Kingdom so as you can see... to ME it is a compliment whenever someone stands up for that mana'o.
Aloha, L
Mahalo for your clarification. I agree with your mana`o with one exception (being honest) and that is MVO's actions and credibility, for they affect all kanaka maoli confronting the hewa and occupiers collectively.
I see her actions in regards to her challenging the status quo as insincere and misleading. I say this from personal experience and first-hand knowledge.
...being dragged into the occupiers court is one thing, but filing complaints and seeking/expecting remedy by the same judical court/system is contradictory to say the least.
If anyone is to send men/women into harms way (brutal war)...that 'anyone' better be the FIRST in line when the shooting starts...that's the difference I was refering to between Keanu and MVO.
...calling it in black and white and frankly she does not reflect upon us well now or at anytime soon in the foreseeable future.
Ekala mai and like I mentioned in the other thread I had a feeling that Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana or someone very close to him somehow lost their land due to some bad advice or perhaps were led to do something that perhaps they should not have done based on perhaps bad advice. I do not blame them at all nor do I blame Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana for feeling the way he does. For me if *you* mess with family... das it and he is only trying to protect his family. I give him props for dat because it reflects highly on his kupuna.
I just wish he would have posted what he very recently posted only because I had a feeling in my na'au that that is what happened. For whatever reason some oiwi lost their land. Perhaps some of them are ashamed for trusting the iwi in another oiwi but to me there is NO shame in what they did in trusting the iwi in another oiwi. I'm not naive either. I have had a few bad experiences with other oiwi but these oiwi's actions do not conflate to all oiwi-s' actions.
As for Oliver... I have mixed feelings about her. On one hand she knows about royal patents and that some title in Hawai'i still have encumbrances and the U.S. and corporations know it. On the other if one oiwi like Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana feels "hurt" in any way and/or an oiwi lost something that meant something to them... then to me it is important.
That is why I deleted my initial response to Keali'ikaleo'olaeanuikaumanamana. If someone messed with my family then heads would roll and I would go for the jugular whether oiwi or non-oiwi. I do not blame him at all for reacting that way....
Aloha, L
I find it odd...no not odd, maybe a question as to why with Uncle's story here, there is discussion of Ms. Ventura-Oliver...I must have missed something from other blogs or forums...excuse me for "thinking out loud". Whomever is doing, whatever is happening here there is some awakening or rumbling going on...I noticed this with another forum with Mr. Blaisdell's thoughts.
Foster and Mr. Blaisdell are experiencing some issues with Ms. Ventura-Oliver and I believe others are not truly aware as to what is happening but still able to express their concern noting we must be aware of some wrongdoing and from what I gather, it is happening sometime next month in court. Maybe it's a mistaken identity from media, maybe It is more to this than we know personally...However, it is their issue they are facing and it is disheartening to hear this but for some reason we are being exposed to their pain and suffering...all we can do here is listen and wait for both sides. Whether we are educated or maybe forwarned of any wrongdoing, that is for each individual to decide.
Here in Kohala, unless you hear it from the mouth of those in the storm...which means in a nutshell, "From the horses mouth." you have nothing. We call it makani...wind of gossip when the wind blows in a destinct manner and "for a reason". I truly feel the wind here in this forum.... Gossip is rumors and rumors are lies and until you hear it from the person, from their heart, it is then their truth and word they stand on.... For me, I'm curious as to the outcome with all the rumblings here so I wait. What I hear from those involved in a court dispute, it is a koko vs koko issue...in respect, because we don't know what is happening but they are free to voice themselves we should only hear what is going on...the listening part will come together. I hope there is no deception and that truth of heart will prevail. For no matter what the ruling is on this court issue, the facts of those in truth - not on paper, but in heart... is where it all matters. One's word is one's word and THAT no one can take away from you. Only you can take away from your words for your words are your integrity - how I was raised, a persons word is better than any paper filed anywhere and if you are witness or have witnessed this yourself, more power to you.
Mahalo for allowing me to speak...for I am only a crosswind to this of which I see....Malama Pono.
I can only speak for myself and not Mr. K. B;aisdell, but for the record...I have had first-hand experience and knowledge with MVO...and all that I express about MVO...figuritively speaking is 'from the horses mouth' and not its okole.
nrv8n8.....aside from your "opinons" do you have any first-hand experience, knowledge, FACTS and dealings with Mahealani Ventura-Oliver?
Don't get stuck in the drama....my intent and purpose for expressing my thoughts and experience about MVO is so no one else (innocent) is taken advantaged of/scamed by MVO...and yes, I am using my real name here and not hiding behind screen names.
Maka`ala....the last thing MVO said to me before I walked away from here hewa was "...'the people didn't need to know everything (what to expect in court), I just need followers."
Are you a follower?
I see your pain and only acknowledge the suffering and understand. I'm not stuck in the drama, I am only trying to make sense of all the forum and blogs on Ms. Ventura-Oliver.
Huui...I don't hide behind screen names...NRV8N8 was once my license plate here on the big island. If you look on my page you will understand the meaning behind what it means. Prior to that my plate was W8N2XL (waiting to exhale...or the ability to breathe...HA) Each time I went through a personal spiritual experience my plate changed...I now have plates that contribute yearly fees to a nonprofit organization that provides assistance for native hawaiian children under the Ke Ali'i Foundation/KS.
As to your question, "....nrv8n8.....aside from your "opinons" do you have any first-hand experience, knowledge, FACTS and dealings with Mahealani Ventura-Oliver?"
My answer to you is YES, on the last contested case hearing I had on PAO'O - please view it on my page. However you will find there is no information on our communication. I was protecting a sacred site on PAO'O. Mahealani and her ohana claimed to be direct lineal descendants - I knew and provided to the case and to the Hawaiian Island Buriel Counsel the lineal descendants from Kohala - I did not know of Mahealani and her 'ohana and found later she was not a direct tie into the family I knew. This is according to the genealogy of the family I was assisting on their PAO'O case. I stayed out of the family politics as it was not my place. My issue was to protect, preserve and be in conservation of the land there as also the wishes of the family. No touch, no move, no do nothing but leave it as it is.
Long story short I did not want to withdraw my contested case on PAO'O especially protecting the gravesite of Ali'i Kauwe. I was asked by Mahealani if I wanted to be a caretaker of the property due to what my nonprofit was able to provide under our mission statement. We did not discuss it fully as I could not make a decision of this as our next goal was to protect and preserve the Mahukona lands after PAO'O.
I was introduced to Mahealani initially through a meeting way over a year ago to hear about what she could do as a possible strategy for us on the Mahukona issue after PAO'O. Our groups who gathered KAKO'O, myself and others did not want to do work with Mahealani due to the cost issue and not sure if the venue to take was a sure thing to stop the development. Due to cost, we optioned not to entertain the thought of filing for any title/patents, or whatever paperwork could be done for us as expressed by Mahealani.
Mahealani's group/representatives showed an interest on the PAO'O project on their own and approached the Ali'i Kauwe family I knew. The short version of the story I got from the family I represented was that they wanted their father (now deceased) to sign some papers. Family was not comfortable and optioned not to join them on whatever paperwork Mahealani filed or was to file...not my kuleana. Remember, there was no ties to them in genealogy as was told to me by the family I knew and represented. There was also an issue on blameshifting who did what to the property (put in waterpipes and water tanks compromising the sacred sites of the area which only my nonprofit and those organizations I've work closely with knew EXACTLY what archaeological characteristics were there before Mahealani's group visited the site - it changed after their visit leaving what I will call as opala. No discussion on this further is needed. I believe the people I represented and the people I have worked years on preservation issues here in Kohala if they say they did not desecrate a sacred site - we're from Kohala and we all know we don't so such a thing NO FOOL AROUND WIT DA KINE STUFF. I leave it as that.
During the hearing sessions we were asked under oath if we knew who put in the waterlines/left a water tank, moved rocks, opened the enclosure of Ali'i Kauwe's gravesite and all questioned there from Kohala had no direct link to placement of these foreign objects. I asked questions and was given one side, the family I knew gave their side. Someone is not fessing up the truth and only the land and Ke Akua knows...I leave it at that.
For me personally, I'm pissed off as to what I saw there in March, 2008. I asked the questions of who did it when I was told - there was blameshift. That area was protected by a diety and to move rocks, open an enclosure of a gravesite or put in infrastructure is a no no...so who did it? Hmmm I care to let the land and Ke Akua take care of that one...I leave it at that.
I am a follower of truth, compassion, preservation, authentication, conservation of all that is koko. And I only follow along in the posts that are presented here in forums and blogs that interest me for a reason. I leave it at that...Foster, mahalo for your passion and what you stand for in whom you are.
Malama Pono from Kohala.
I say this with sincerity....may you and your ohana enjoy the time together.
Foster
Again, whatever is the outcome in the next few months with Mr. Blaisdell in his court issue with Ms. Ventura-Oliver...what one speaks from the heart is integrity - what one files in paperwork without the truth in heart for THE GOOD OF ALL CONCERNED, well the tenfold return on what is wrong and done wrong by anyone is not a good thing. Make my heart sore when I hear koko fighting on land issues - but truth always prevails in the end..it is never failing...it only makes known what should be known.
We are all being educated here on maoliworld on different levels...the more we share with actions behind what we do, much can be accomplished in the end for the common good.
In regards to Uncle Tane's ONCE UPON A TIME, I will end it with...."And we all lived happily ever after...AMEN"....(((SMILE...hugs too)))
If I were Sam noting I have no other recourse but abide, I do so ingraciously and strategize with my crooked deeds and friends and continue to want to steal. For the role of Sam it all depends on the conciousness - does he want to make right the wrong and tired of the fight or does he want to truly want to continue the lie...If Sam surrounds him with people who are morally upright, just the presence alone of good decent people in his life can open the door for Sam to make room for change and do what it right.....so here it depends on the "company one keeps".
If I was being tread upon, I would act as if I didn't know what was happening and a strategy to work towards the effort of "Sam didn't know what hit him" and conquor the situation and take back what is rightfully mine and make sure proper procedures were taken to make sure Sam is due what is coming to him by law. Not to dwell on the pain or point finger at the wrong but go about my business to make sure everything is done KINA'OLE style.
Mahalo for this story and allowing me to share my thoughts....SMILE
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