I want to talk about something that has bothered me for a long time. By no means am I trying to call anyone out or even diss them in anyway. I'm just sharing my point of view on things.

Over the years I've noticed a lot staking claim to be king or queen and calling these lands 'theirs'. I am not going to debate anyone's lineage. I don't feel that anyone should challenge another person on those facts for any other reason than to educate and share. My feelings for so many laying claim lies in the fact that without heirs being named, the position would go to vote by the people.

I think this is something we all need to think carefully about. Discussions range from when Hawaii is free will we go back to a monarchy and if so, to who? It's a very dangerous question. Almost all of us can trace our roots back to Ali'i, and as many know just from these boards, we are all related in some shape or fashion. When the time comes for us to answer this question are we ready to look at things not just by tradition, but also by the strength we want our nation to move forward with to continue to perpetuate a strong Hawaiian Kingdom?

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Aloha,

I agree with you. So much time is expended in trying to prove who has Alii blood. The truth is there are many, many who can. Then it becomes a question of you has the greatest rank or is most closely related to the Kamehamehas. My thought on this, and not all will agree, is that there is no one living today who can claim to be of high Alii rank. That essentially disappeared soon after the missionaries arrived and made it illegal to marry close relations. I am afraid that there are no niau pio, pio, naha, or wohi ranks alive today (I could be wrong). At best, perhaps, the highest rank could be kaukau alii or less (I could be wrong here as well). My point is that in the traditional sense, no one today could really claim to be a ruling monarch. Would it be the Kamehameha line or the Kalakaua line? Or heaven forbid, we could actually choose a new one as was often done by a council of chiefs in days gone by.

I do not know why there is such a preoccupation with trying to prove who is a rightful heir to the kingdom of Hawaii. I think that those who can prove descent from the royal lines of Hawaii (and I know there are many out there who can - not just a few, but perhaps thousands) get together instead and claim the lands of Hawaii back for the people of Hawaii. Can you imagine all these people taking their cases to the Supreme Court to claim their hereditary rights. That would be a mess.

I think it is time we begin to work together as a people for our people. Instead of pulling rank on each other lets pull together with Aloha. We live in a crucial time not only in terms of what is going on in the world but as a people. We may never have this opportunity again. The time is now to make some changes in determining where our future should be. It is not a time for division but one of unity. We can not have unity if everyone wants to be King (or Queen). Let us speak as one people, with a united front for what is ours. Then we as a people can decide how we wish to be governed. What good is it to be divided if we seek unity. What sense is it to have a King (or Queen) if there is no Kingdom.

This is my manoa.
Nohealani
I totally agree with you Nohealani especially your last paragraph which is worth saying it again:

I think it is time we begin to work together as a people for our people. Instead of pulling rank on each other lets pull together with Aloha. We live in a crucial time not only in terms of what is going on in the world but as a people. We may never have this opportunity again. The time is now to make some changes in determining where our future should be. It is not a time for division but one of unity. We can not have unity if everyone wants to be King (or Queen). Let us speak as one people, with a united front for what is ours. Then we as a people can decide how we wish to be governed. What good is it to be divided if we seek unity. What sense is it to have a King (or Queen) if there is no Kingdom.

One thing though, technically there is a Kingdom buried based on the facts of what happened with the occupation. Aside from that there will never be unity if there is a King or Queen or Princess, etc reigning because we all have evolved to different ways of thinking because of all the pain of the past. Time to bring order and work together as ONE no matter the genealogy. It's just a piece of paper for ones own 'ohana, not for anything political anymore because of the gap in what has happened in history.

Mahalo Kamatose for this discussion. I appreciate it very much. By the way, talked to your 'ohana here in Kohala and she said with only she and another sister here they don't carry their genealogy information. It is with a sister that lives between Lana'i and 'Oahu. But note some of your 'ohana are buried here near Pololu Vallery...SMILE.

Malama Pono, Stephanie
Aloha e Stephanie,
I appreciate your willingness to share your mana'o about a very, very good topic. E kala mai if i may, but there was just one thing that you shared that triggered me to write back to you. You stated that it was "Time to bring order and work together as ONE no matter the genealogy. It's just a piece of paper for ones own 'ohana, not for anything political anymore because of the gap in what has happened in history." I agree with your first statement the we definitely need to come together, because this is a humanitarian issue to begin with, concerning what happened in 1893 and what continues to happen until 2009. The part that is not accurately true, whether political, social, moral or spiritual, is when you state that our genealogy "is just a peice of paper for ones own ohana." Again, that is true, but it is much, much more than a peice of paper. Our genealogy can connect us to our ancestral lands that our ancestors once lived and resided on, even buried on, and where they also had to Malama that ancestral lands to provide and feed their families.

I often remind people that we have more protection under our own "Ratified Constituions", our own "Declaration of Rights of 1839", and even find protection from the "Mahele Trust" called "Native Tenant Rights." These "Native Tenant Rights" is still in effect and in place to be depended upon, even until today. When we can tie our genealogy to these Royal Patent Lands, or Land Commission Awards today, we have a interest that trumps and supercedes an other interest to these lands, one because these "Patent Lands" is not for sale, but also it is protected and the title is automatically quieted because our King copyrighted these private lands, so these private lands could be passed on from generation to generation forever. I know this is real, because there ahs been and is a lot of heirs that i know of personally today that have reclaimed their ancestral lands, some for over ten years. Our genealogy also proves that we were born on Hawaiian Soil in the Hawaiian Kingdom and not in the united States. We find our protection in our birth name and not some "Corporate Entity" that the united States and the "FAKE State" of Hawaii has arificially created. Our genealogy does mattter, and is not just a peice of paper because we the heirs are still living and breathing the "Ha" until today. As long as that continues to take place, we are the rightful claimants to this aina, right here in Hawaii.

Looking forward to continuing to have this healthy dialogue to continue, so we all can grow and learn from one another. Until then, Mahalo Nui!


Kaleo
Sorry the delay in reply Kaleo... I understand your mana'o on the "piece of paper" statement. Don't take it so literal...SMILE. I am aware that we connect through 'aina with the palapala but just talking about the land will not bring us together. IT'S THE PROTECTING IT TO PRESERVE IT THAT WILL bring us together. Some po'e all they do is talk about palapala but the action to do something instead of talk means nothing to me but "air" or loss of breath. Sure po'e can put together their palapala, file it appropriate for their family I understand that - why not also protect the land that is not theirs for the greater good of all? Keep development out of sacred places,etc. We have so much to protect. We do this hear and there but just think of every story you have heard of a special place you probably like to enjoy - how many impeding buildings are on it or has a potential to be around it? I look at the bigger picture in my statement of "piece of paper". Hope my clarification in detail brings us to both know we walk along side each other in the same feeling...((hugs))
Aloha,

I won't be here when this issue or sense of question(s) will come to a reality. I don't claim genealogy as strongly as others although I think it's important. The reason being is that I only have so much energy, resources and time. Genealogy is important, so go do it.

The claims to land by genealogy started as a means to gather information. The second wave turned into quick claim vs. Royal Patents. The third version from my perspctive was fashion. I own lots of Mamo Mumuu's it's in a container tucked away.

My dad is still with me; he is living in the kitchen he was born in at Maunawili. Dad is the last pure 'niaupio from the first incest birth in our family--in all of Koolaupoko. My mom not being an arranged birth like my grandpa and grandma--makes me not from that origin of Papa and Wakea. I am a modern day 'niaupio--yes, however I feel that one has to serve it's people, it's culture practices and stand on the land. So anything connected to Na Kanaka, it's culture practices and stand on the land are being responsible towards the future.

What I've developed is filters so that I can stay in the action near the land and our peoples practices. I filtered out the 'niaupio and in order to deal with all the how come and why our people are in strife. I don't think this is the right thing to do for other people, so, I must give them the space to flourish in their genealogy.

I was part of the process to stop the formation of OHA. I shifted my actions when it passed the legislation and participated in VOHA (Volunteers for Office of Hawaiian Affairs). It's late and I'm tired so I'm going to skip to---- "My feelings for so many laying claim lies in the fact that without heirs being named, the position would go to vote by the people."

I would err on the side of the any one claiming to be of ali'i blood as a participant in a firgure heads rather than a ruler, I think this is how I see it. I checked with Tani, to see if we have to have a vote, he said yes because of the constitution and it makes more logical sense. I believe he said of the 'oki' and the people would have to ratify it. The people should send in their delegates--- right now it's all protem. Find out the will of the people, candidate or change the form of government.

The machiavelli syndrom will always exist--- it's part of the being a nationalist or the will of the people.

"but also by the strength we want our nation to move forward with to continue to perpetuate a strong Hawaiian Kingdom?" yes it's true.

As for strength, in the 1970's we had no internet, cell phone-- we operated on the will of the people. Today Liko Martin spent time at Wailua River at sunrise in prayer for all activist today. His brother Pono Shim was at the Hawaii Convention Center on the panel. I'm blessed to have known their parents and how things came to be. Alvin Shim was a man that had moved mountains in the political sense in the world.

I wouldn't pay too much mind to the 'noise' in my discussion with Tane people need familiar as oppose to complexity. I explained that in a classroom, we have to teach GLO #3 complexity and this is difficult to do. It's 11:55 August 21, 2009, take care good questions, good thoughts keep doing it. Kaohi
"our Hawaiian Kingdom and all Monarchy governments are based on genealogies.....so, you/ everyone can't run away from it..........otherwise, it would just be considered another overthrow..........

lastly, one of our families were told......"do your genealogies"...........by former Governor George Ariyoshi.....think that says a lot in itself.............oh, securing your Royal Patents of your ancestors to your families today is genealogy based and no one can throw you off of those claims.........which is why many families are returning to their ancestral properties...
ask Kaleo for the court case citing the Royal Patents which sets a precedence for all kanaka maoli which was recorded on the books in the 1900's......." Amelia


Oh wow, I am good at copying and pasting!

I only have so much resources, time and energy in the day, so this part of genealogy I am leaving it up to my cousins.

I have two siblings and both are in court trying to save their grandchildren from their maternal grandparents. Todate, my sister has paid $18,000 in court fees and my brother is doing the same. Stealing niaupio children is the 'in' thing local, national and now international.

I was fair warning my family about how international and national people wanting a niaupio baby to claim status and land. They all thought I was nuts, and I did too.

My dad is still with me; he lives in the kitchen he was born in-in Maunawili. This was a place where Queen Liliu would stop and rest and be taken care of before she went to her home. Most of what existed than, is still in tact, but not for long. The younger generation below don't have that connection and are pretty confused too.

Edward Niaupio from 'Sites of Oahu' is my grandfather's brother. He is well documented at the Bishop Museum. I invite you to check it out and also look at the pictures in their folders too.

If one follows the Niaupio, like the quick haole claimers do--one can connect the dots as far as the culture practices. The most important, for me right now is Kaneohe, Haiku next to Sam Lono place and Edward Niaupio grave located next to Jehovah witness church. His step children are in discussion to remove his grave.

At this time their is a Niaupio claimant (no relations) with a published book trying to connect with us and claim blood relations.

Believe it or not you can still hear the voices of Papa and Wakea from this particular genealogy. Of course, like the southern cross one has to listen beyond the false southern cross (stars). It takes patience and consistencies, and sometimes physical ( which is a concern) endurance to maintain ones knowledge of genealogy and it's practices.

I am so proud of Pono Shim and Liko Martin for their staying power yesterday, for the governess tried her best to tap into the World Order through this family--Alvin Shim. The panel buckled under pressure and I really thought we lost the day. It was Keola Beamer that locked her butt out of that World space in the end with the song Kaulana Na Pua and his families mixed views about the "Fake State" and it's fifty years of good for nothing deals.

So listen to your ohana spirit and just ask for guidance and protection of our future generation. I've had 35 years of 'activist' pressure and I will Ku Kanaka until the day I go home to rest. When my children send me to the morgue, I've requested that they take off my panties. I want to feel the wind (fire) brushing up against my clit, so I want an orgasm! I dam well deserve it! Kaohi
Ooops Nohealani,

Sorry my darling I didn't read your post, and I understand becasue I am a modern day person. We will continue talking genealogy and beyond genealogy and keep working for our people. I love you very much and will do my best to serve all things.

We'll talk tonight after work. Kaohi
ALOHA Kakou, All Hawaiians genealogy leads to many Alii of Hawaii Nei. I am in full support of the revival of the Hawaiian Kingdom nation. Whose government was overthrown on January 17, 1893. I further support that the revived government of the Hawaiian Kingdom to be a Constituttional government. The decision of who will accend to the Throne of the Hawaiian Kingdom rest completely in the voting power of the Indigenous Native Hawaiian people of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Reviving the Hawaiian Kingdom is the only way that I see that we can protect the Inherent Sovereign Rights of the Indigenous Native Hawaiian people. Inherent Sovereignty to the national lands of the Hawaiian Kingdom is the Key Issue! Since 1993 after renouncing my citizenship to the United States, I've gone home to my country, the Hawaiian Kingdom. I am not a member of any of the present Hawaiian governing entities. I am a Hawaiian National of the Hawaiian Kingdom nation. I have gone home to my nation, my Hawaii the Hawaiian Kingdom. This is why I say, Long Live The Hawaiian Kingdom. ALOHA OE, U.S.A. o Pomaikaiokalani, SOVEREIGN, HPACH
because of the constitution and it makes more logical sense. I believe he said of the 'oki' and the people would have to ratify it. The people should send in their delegates--- right now it's all protem. Find out the will of the people, candidate or change the form of government.

Exactly. Today we put much emphasis in our genealogy about who is closest to the ruling family, but we forget that those that ruled Hawaii had the Hawaiian peoples best interest at heart.
TRUE THAT I WAS THE ONE WHO IS ALIVE NOT DEAD.
Aloha e Kamatose,
We all have to come to the realization that our Ali'is chose to be governed by the "rule of law." We as heirs today cannot just deviate and disregard what our mo'i and ali'is have already established and built a foundation on for us even today and forever into the future. Everything that we decide to do from here on out, cannot go outside of the kind of "rule of law" that our ali'is have already established for us to follow. So we can take parts of the last ratified Constitution that would apply to us Hawaiian Subject/Nationals and then add any neccessary things that would still be in complaince with the way our ali'is set it up for us to continue to govern our own selves until today. Hope what i have shared and stated made things a little bit more clear for you.


Mahalo,
Kaleo
i m not subject to this kingdom here, i am of the real line o my heavenly father who is in heaven andwhat ever dession he makes out of this will prevail in the end times who ever is with god now will pevail and if you are all what is in th ryl rder and thereal blood we are all families we should not be ofthe world that says we are kingsand queens weshould think like jesus what he dir us and the kingdom he gave this too our famlies and the royaltys from befroe passsed on read rev 1717 weare of this kingdomm who hornors god and his ark and only the righful people who is of the real chosen ones can ue in gods kingdom. ua mau kea oka aina ika pono should stand ot loudtoall the nations and above for every oe ho is the real royalys should stand up ad fght for there rights and yes elections can do for the hawaiian kingdo who is going to rule we are all one and we sholstayas one an for my other side of m families e ahave carried this blood line for generations and only too keep the kingdom do you know jesus is coming back anow he rules all fo us so only therightful one sin this kindom ca rule ad i will run that next electio n to get gods kingdom i ur nation and he rules and no oneelse rules on this earth because he is our king. only e makes the desicion who will be the next president and who willbe the next gov and so on so to you all g bless you and kaleo please write m thak you.

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