On the footnotes of page 222, in Professor Van Dyke's book it reads:
'[I]n 1923, one corporation first purchased the 48,000 acres that had previously been removed from the Ceded Lands through an exchange of lands. . . The corporation then acquired ownership to most of the remaining lands on Lanai (totaling 98 percent of the island) through a series of quiet title and other legal proceedings including adverse possession, by 1928." Makua to Makai, supra note 5, at 37.'
....... A curious point of contention: After the illegal overthrow of January 1893 there was no lawful Registrar at the Bureau of Conveyances let alone a legal Government.
Wow close to 400 pages. What is so scary, I knew Mits Uehara and we went to Lani in the 70s and spent a few days with Sol Kahoohalahala going over all the Kuleana lands.
What's even more crazy, Mit's said, that my family came from Maui and so does a lot of elderly genealogist such as Kapena Wong says the same thing when I breezed through the names--wow! My family shows up and one can say they all moved to Kailua where they reside today.
My guess is that the names were used because they were Konohiki's like straw men in these outlandish land deals. One note though all names mentioned were very authoritative in nature--until this very day. The old folks being the worst.
Andrew > Kaohi: Mendiola-KaniaupioJune 26, 2012 at 2:43am
Aloha kakou.
E Kaohi if you take a look at the Lana'i Community plan of 1993, the total land area for Lana'i at the time of the Mahele is given as 89,305 acres. The Government lands as 48,640 acres, and Crown Lands as 40,665 acres:
It is interesting as to why Professor Jon Van Dyke did not include the Eastern Ahupua'a he obviously had reason having conducted an intensive investigation on the legality of land transactions. I need to take a closer look at his footnotes. A hui hou. -Andrew.
This is an intriguing question Andrew—mahalo for the challenge? I am composing this on documents because for some ugly reasons my two hour composed information disappeared as I was nearing the end on Maoliworld.
As I said, I am in the middle of three major volunteer works with our people on Oahu. One with the people of Keeau eviction and the second is my own Hawaiian Homestead where the people that work for DHHL and other agencies such as the banks are going to evict 80% of my community from their homes. And too, the Coastal Zoning Management is applying Port Authority to our entire shoreline with guns and other things. So, in light of these things, and just a word of caution, for in the academic sense we tend to place our biases onto our research.
These are my available sources at my finger tips:
New Ideal Atlas, Rand McNally & Co.’s New 11x14 May of Hawaii Copyright 1910, and 1908.
This is what I am basing my findings on for your acreage question. But, I’m also checking my other two sources to see if I can add or valid my assumption. I am using a map that I had bought from an antique shop in New Orleans two weeks before 911. Pages often get torn and the book is discarded and pages are sold separately for reasons of bugs, torn, coffee-spill stains. My degree isn’t worth a darn in the work world; one needs masters to work in the field. So collecting maps is just a passionate hobby. I’m reproducing and giving this map away to anyone that is interested in the moku boundaries.
If one look at this maps one can see Lanai as Lahaina and attached to Lahaina, Maui. The slice starts (map on wall view) at Kahakuloa Point over to the other side Maalaea Bay and its called Sprecklesville.
My other sources which I have not really examined yet are The Early Mapping of Hawaii and Surveying the Mahele by Gary L. Fitzpatrick and Riley M. Moffat. I met Riley M. Moffat and sadly at that time I did not know who he was.
Hamilton Library was a huge source for maps and the flood destroyed most maps. Local Geographer’s have yet to heal from this loss.
Having a degree in Geography, hey I thought this was neat to copy to Maoliworld. As for the poopoo argument on that blog not worth the a darn. It is a wits of man cyber vs avatar and unless one really wants a solution for the people of Lana'i the argument(s) are moot.
Andrew > Kaohi: Mendiola-KaniaupioJune 25, 2012 at 6:22am
Aloha kakou.
E Kaohi as you have a Degree in Geography you can help out paha, Professor Van Dyke gives the Crown Lands acreage at 17,369 for Lana'i on page 179 of "Who owns the Crown Lands of Hawai'i?" Yet other sources are giving the total at 40,665 at the time of the Mahele Nui of 1848.
Can you account for the missing 23,296 acres? The map you display is the Kingdom Government survey of 1878 it differs from the version compiled by Carlos Andrade who used the very same map in 1997 and is used by the late Professor Van Dyke in his studious work. Mahalo. Andrew.
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My preference for this map is because it was well done. Unlike the laziness of today's cartographers.
Aloha kakou.
The Bureau of Conveyances record summary of Lana'i land transactions between 1845 and 1961 is available here:
http://www.lanaichc.org/land-conveyances/lanai-bureau-of-conveyance...
On the footnotes of page 222, in Professor Van Dyke's book it reads:
'[I]n 1923, one corporation first purchased the 48,000 acres that had previously been removed from the Ceded Lands through an exchange of lands. . . The corporation then acquired ownership to most of the remaining lands on Lanai (totaling 98 percent of the island) through a series of quiet title and other legal proceedings including adverse possession, by 1928." Makua to Makai, supra note 5, at 37.'
....... A curious point of contention: After the illegal overthrow of January 1893 there was no lawful Registrar at the Bureau of Conveyances let alone a legal Government.
Wow close to 400 pages. What is so scary, I knew Mits Uehara and we went to Lani in the 70s and spent a few days with Sol Kahoohalahala going over all the Kuleana lands.
What's even more crazy, Mit's said, that my family came from Maui and so does a lot of elderly genealogist such as Kapena Wong says the same thing when I breezed through the names--wow! My family shows up and one can say they all moved to Kailua where they reside today.
My guess is that the names were used because they were Konohiki's like straw men in these outlandish land deals. One note though all names mentioned were very authoritative in nature--until this very day. The old folks being the worst.
Aloha kakou.
E Kaohi if you take a look at the Lana'i Community plan of 1993, the total land area for Lana'i at the time of the Mahele is given as 89,305 acres. The Government lands as 48,640 acres, and Crown Lands as 40,665 acres:
http://www.co.maui.hi.us/documents/17/69/411/lanai.pdf
It is interesting as to why Professor Jon Van Dyke did not include the Eastern Ahupua'a he obviously had reason having conducted an intensive investigation on the legality of land transactions. I need to take a closer look at his footnotes. A hui hou. -Andrew.
This is an intriguing question Andrew—mahalo for the challenge? I am composing this on documents because for some ugly reasons my two hour composed information disappeared as I was nearing the end on Maoliworld.
As I said, I am in the middle of three major volunteer works with our people on Oahu. One with the people of Keeau eviction and the second is my own Hawaiian Homestead where the people that work for DHHL and other agencies such as the banks are going to evict 80% of my community from their homes. And too, the Coastal Zoning Management is applying Port Authority to our entire shoreline with guns and other things. So, in light of these things, and just a word of caution, for in the academic sense we tend to place our biases onto our research.
These are my available sources at my finger tips:
New Ideal Atlas, Rand McNally & Co.’s New 11x14 May of Hawaii Copyright 1910, and 1908.
This is what I am basing my findings on for your acreage question. But, I’m also checking my other two sources to see if I can add or valid my assumption. I am using a map that I had bought from an antique shop in New Orleans two weeks before 911. Pages often get torn and the book is discarded and pages are sold separately for reasons of bugs, torn, coffee-spill stains. My degree isn’t worth a darn in the work world; one needs masters to work in the field. So collecting maps is just a passionate hobby. I’m reproducing and giving this map away to anyone that is interested in the moku boundaries.
If one look at this maps one can see Lanai as Lahaina and attached to Lahaina, Maui. The slice starts (map on wall view) at Kahakuloa Point over to the other side Maalaea Bay and its called Sprecklesville.
My other sources which I have not really examined yet are The Early Mapping of Hawaii and Surveying the Mahele by Gary L. Fitzpatrick and Riley M. Moffat. I met Riley M. Moffat and sadly at that time I did not know who he was.
Hamilton Library was a huge source for maps and the flood destroyed most maps. Local Geographer’s have yet to heal from this loss.
Having a degree in Geography, hey I thought this was neat to copy to Maoliworld. As for the poopoo argument on that blog not worth the a darn. It is a wits of man cyber vs avatar and unless one really wants a solution for the people of Lana'i the argument(s) are moot.
Aloha kakou.
E Kaohi as you have a Degree in Geography you can help out paha, Professor Van Dyke gives the Crown Lands acreage at 17,369 for Lana'i on page 179 of "Who owns the Crown Lands of Hawai'i?" Yet other sources are giving the total at 40,665 at the time of the Mahele Nui of 1848.
Can you account for the missing 23,296 acres? The map you display is the Kingdom Government survey of 1878 it differs from the version compiled by Carlos Andrade who used the very same map in 1997 and is used by the late Professor Van Dyke in his studious work. Mahalo. Andrew.
Aloha e Andrew,
I think I can help you with that.
Cool that you can help add to the problem of interpretation of Prof. Van Dyke and his studious work.