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  5 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: We have one more affected 6 party. That would be a representative of the 7 Hawaiian Genealogical Society. 8 AMELIA GORA 9 AMELIA GORA: Greetings, everyone. My name is 10 Amelia Kuulei Gora. I’m from the Hawaiian Genealogy 11 Society. And I also have the Hawaiian Genealogy 12 Society on the Web, and it’s – that one started just 13 two years ago. Anyway, there’s a number of kanaka 14 maoli aboriginal people around the world, and some of 15 them are in contact with us. Also I’ve started a 16 newspaper. It’s called Iolani on the Web, and there 17 was a special edition that just went out, even to the 18 President, because what was sent to me on the last — 19 the last packet at the tail end it talks about the 20 crown lands, and that — that’s an issue that — you 21 see, the reason why we came together and I was 22 recognized as one of the claimants because our 23 families came together on the question of do you have 24 stories of how your families were hidden, were being 25 killed, or thrown on Kalauapapa. And as it turned Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 114 1 out, after doing genealogy found out that these 2 people are the Kamehameha lines. You know, they’re 3 still descendants. Royal families exist today, and 4 they were — a lot of them were beaten, thrown on 5 Kalauapapa. And we have detailed oral histories and 6 I have a number of documentation that – with 7 references that shows that. 8 Anyway, coming to this, this particular — I 9 wanted to address the issue about OHA, you know. I 10 question OHA’s claims because they’re looking at the 11 word Hawaiian. If you — I have written several 12 books, but anyway, this one is called The 13 Chronological History of Hawaii, Abroad, and the 14 United States. And in San Francisco Chronicles, Saturday, January 28th 15 , the Pratts, he represented his 16 wife and the families of the Kamehameha lines and 17 stated that the crown land still belongs to the 18 families. Anyway — oh sorry, this is the — he did 19 write a few days later. But anyway, this one is 20 having to do with the commissioners of the wrongful 21 dethronement of Queen Liliuokalani. Loren Thurston 22 was recognized as a chairman and he — they actually 23 have it in this article, he is a Hawaiian by birth. 24 So there is a lot of issues regarding the 25 terminologies used over time. Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 115 1 Anyway I do a lot of history research, and let’s 2 see — I wrote something and you’ll get this this 3 week, you know, I guess the last day of your meeting. 4 Anyway, a special opposition included in the Iolani 5 (comment inaudible) Special Edition, March 11, 2005, 6 briefly the following was documented. In 1852, US 7 supported by Great Britain looked to assume for 8 empire in the Pacific. 1861, France surveyed the 9 Pacific Ocean supported by the US. Book can be found 10 here at the Hamilton Library. 1890, US supported by 11 Great Britain made claim of assuming all lands within 12 the 3,000 miles from the US coast, and name Hawaii, 13 the Galapagos Islands, and South America. Europe 14 cities are also within 2,000 miles off the coast of 15 US. In other words, the US is claiming everybody 16 around them. And in 1892, Thurston offered $250,000 17 for Hawaii, through the annexation club, another 18 person offered a large sum of money to Queen 19 Liliuokalani. And Thurston met with B.F. Tracy, who 20 was the Secretary of State under President Harrison 21 who was a former American Civil War general. There 22 were — there were five Civil War generals in Hawaii 23 at the time of the wrongful dethronement of Queen 24 Liliuokalani, and I have that documented also in one 25 of my other books. It’s called Pirates of the Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 116 1 Pacific, Charles Reed Bishop and Friends. Thurston 2 met with him in Makua Valley to plan the dethronement 3 of Queen Liliuokalani and annexation. 4 Anyway in 1893, Queen Liliuokalani did sign a 5 new constitution and was under stress, duress, 6 coercion, and usurpation. She was called a nigger by 7 Congressmen, and anyway, she temporarily gave her 8 rights to the superior of the US. Now the superior 9 is actually US President Benjamin Harrison, who was 10 also an American Civil War general before. But 11 Harrison suggested a plebiscite to give an appearance 12 that it was what the majority wanted. 1893, Pratt 13 telegrammed the President and Congress the 14 oppositions for the takings of the private lands – 15 and that’s where all of our kupuna is on, private 16 lands – and documented that the conspirators and 17 terrorists were not able — I call them terrorists in 18 letters to President Clinton, I have it documented, 19 because certified mail went out, and also to 20 President Bush, certified mail went out. 21 Also the documentation for the recent 22 information went also to the President and it’s also 23 going to the Hague and France and so many different 24 countries are receiving our paperwork. You see, 25 Royals still exist. Kamehameha descendents including Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 117 1 myself exist. I am a descendent of Kamehameha in 2 multiple lines and also descendent of Keliimaikai 3 (phonetic), descendent of John Young, and that’s part 4 of the Po’u Kohola area too. And also I was on the 5 court case for the — you know, Pearl Harbor and fraud 6 deed was brought up. Anyway I’ve come across so much 7 fraud. It’s totally disgusting. 8 But anyway, Hawaiianhistory@yahoo.com is my 9 email. And everybody can contact me. And there’s a 10 lot of genealogies and history information that’s 11 going out to many. But the point is is that in 1894 12 Charles Reed Bishop, he deeded all his life interest 13 over to the Bishop Estates, and that’s where all the 14 pilikia is coming from, because Charles Reed Bishop 15 only had a life interest. Once he make, once he 16 died, that was it. All the interest ceases, and 17 besides the families still have ownership and claims 18 on all of this. 19 Anyway, in 1939, the President appointed 20 Governor Poindexter, who extended the lease on lands 21 for sugar companies, and based on a signature of Lot 22 Kamehameha who they got it in the 1850s, anyway 23 they’ve pirated and assumed that claim. And that’s 24 how the US is just maintaining the claims to the 25 crown lands. And that comes under the Department of Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 118 1 Commerce, Kohala Sugar files. You folks can go look 2 it up. Also I filed a Bureau of Conveyance affidavit 3 lien 96-177455 and it’s 281 pages. It’s located at 4 the Bureau of Conveyances. Or you can pick up a copy 5 at Aiea Copy Service. It’s available. You just ask 6 for the Hawaiian Genealogy Society file. Anyway, a 7 lot of people have been asking for it. 8 There’s a lot of documentation showing Queen 9 Liliuokalani’s claims that she did not sign any – she 10 did not sign a trust deed, you know. She signed a 11 will. And then Harold Abel Cathcart opposed 12 statehood, and because he opposed, and it’s 13 documented sovereignty shall be, President Clinton 14 signed an apology in 1993, with an erroneous history, 15 and in 1994 the Hawaiian Genealogy Society started. 16 In ‘96, I filed the affidavit lien that’s 281 pages 17 with genealogies and other documentation showing how 18 US was fearful of the Japanese entering San Francisco 19 Bay and it would take more than 10 years to get them 20 out, so they wanted to claim Hawaii. But also – 21 ROSITA WORL: Excuse me, if you might, could you 22 offer us your concluding statements? 23 AMELIA GORA: Okay. Well, the pilikia involved 24 is — the trouble involved is about the Nihipali’s 25 group. And we were meeting for a number of times and Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 119 1 it got pretty flustering on us, and I thought we 2 should get together and do a Hawaiian thing instead 3 of going through what’s happening. But anyway, I did 4 file him on the Honolulu Police Department report and 5 this did go out to a lot of interested parties and 6 even to the Minister of Interior. So you folks do 7 have a copy. It was done July 30, 2001, and Nihipali 8 is listed on my Honolulu Police Department genocide 9 activities file, reference 98-273435AF-CF. 10 Anyway, there’s — there’s — I also have the 11 history of the Royal Mausoleum, you know, and while 12 the Kawaihae caves complex claimants. In 1700, the 13 Hale o Keawe (phonetic) was built at Honaunau Bay. 14 Anyway I have this history and it shows all of the 15 ali’i that’s, you know, do have the rightful claims. 16 And if anyone’s interested, I have the list here of 17 our ancestors’ burials, because that’s what Hawaiian 18 Genealogy Society is for too because we have a number 19 of families who are actually descendents and heirs. 20 But I am one of the bloodlines and I do realize that 21 you folks are part of the United Nations group, and 22 the United Nations was based on — it started — 23 there’s some questions on the United Nations. And 24 anyway it’s in – it’s in the special edition that 25 went out. Anyway, that’s what I wanted to tell you Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 120 1 and I do appreciate your (comment inaudible) states 2 and other people. Anyway, these issues do not 3 connect, just moving along with you folks doesn’t 4 mean that I’m accommodating that your message about 5 the public lands that were sent, you know, the 6 history is actually erroneous and land owners still 7 exist such as myself and many others. In fact, 8 there’s a number of people in here that I know who 9 belongs — you know, have claims too. But anyway, 10 thank you. 

11 ROSITA WORL: And thank you very much. We will 12 break for lunch —