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Does a Hawaiian plus a Tahitian equal a whole Maoli Kanaka ?

Posted by Tamaainareo on July 10, 2011 at 1:51am in Politics

  I have a question, concerning this blood quantum issue.  A person is deemed by those in the power positions,to be "Native Hawaiian" if they have 49%+ "Native Hawaiian" blood. Anyone with less than that amount is considered something else other than "Native Hawaiian". My question is this; what if a Maoli Hawai'i had children by a Maori Tahiti or a Maori Aotearoa, or Samoa, or even Tokelau ? They are all Maori, as Hawaiians are. As the Italians say "Una Cara, una raza " ( "Same face, same race" ). Shouldn't their offspring be considered Maoli ? If someone was less than the 49% "Native Hawaiian", and they had children by a Cook Islander, shouldn't the blood quantum be countred as higher ?

    King Kalakaua, at one time wanted union with Samoa, and one of the reasons was to have a union of two Polynesian peoples. He also contemplated bringing in other Polynesian peoples to increase the numbers of Polynesians in Hawai'i.

   I have my own opinions on this matter, but I am curious how others feel about this.

                         Mahalo for your mana'o on this subject.

 

  Mahalo

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  • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio February 4, 2012 at 6:33pm

    Anthropologist Scientist Hal Hammet digs up graves based on Stand Deviations of  "The question really relates to genetics, and DNA.  It really boils down to is, does 1+1=2, or does it mean 1+1 =0.9999999999 ? " asked by Tama- aina -reo.


    Aloha mai kakou.  Please help the 'ohana and concerned community members who are trying to prevent the removal of iwi kupuna burials at Kawaiaha'o Church.  Nearly 300 iwi kupuna have been removed from their graves in the on-going desescration of iwi kupuna in the shadow of Kawaiaha'o church. 
     
    300 and counting.
     
    Excavations are on-going.
     
    Cultural Surveys Hawaii is the company contracted to dig up every single iwi kupuna buried in the site of the former Likeke Hall. 
     
    In 1940, one hundred seventeen iwi kupuna were removed from their graves despite the protests of many 'ohana members. These iwi kupuna were moved to Kamo'ili'ili Cemetery which was sold to build the Contessa high rise condominium.  All of the iwi kupuna from that cemetery were eventually removed along with the 117 iwi kupuna from Kawaiaha'o. 
     
    All of these iwi kupuna were all cremated together and buried in one grave at Kawaiaha'o where they lie today under a list of names of the iwi kupuna the chuch could identify.
     
    In 1969 several families sued the church for the unlawful removal of their kupuna. Judge Hawkins ruled in favor of these families. He stated in his ruling that once land has been designated as a cemetery, it remains as a cemetery forever.  Forever.
     
    Here we are in 2012, more than 20 years after the horrific desecration of thousands of iwi kupuna at Honokahua, Maui, Mokapu, O'ahu and many other places on every island. Kawaiaha'o Church and their army of attorneys headed by Crystal Rose and highly paid consultants headed by Dawn Hookano Chang and Lani Maa Lapilio, have found a way to cirmcumvent the laws that were created from the horror of Honokahua. These laws were put in place to protect our iwi kupuna.
     
    How is this incredible hewa allowed to happen today?
     
    Have we learned nothing from all of the sacrifices our iwi kupuna have had to make in the past?
     
    The leadership of Kawaiaha'o church and many of its congregants: Kahu Kurtis Kekuna, Board of Trustee President Frank Pestana, Na Iwi Chair Bill Ha'ole, Kahu William Kaina, Congregants Donald and Puanani Caindec, Brickwood Galuteria and Kaipo Kanahele and more continue to justify and condone the desecration of iwi kupuna under the guise of doing God's work. 
     
    These iwi kupuna are being pulled from their graves, placed in plastic bags and stored in boxes in the janitor's closet in the basement of the church. 
     
    This horrific work is being sanctioned by the State of Hawaii Department of Health who issued a blanket disinterment permit for Unknown Burials. These are not unknown burials.  The church has a map of burials in this area.  Lineal descendants have come forward and protested the church's actions.
     
    This massive desecration has been given the green light by Judge Karl Sakamoto who has ruled that the church has the right to dig up every single person on their land because in his "opinion" all of these iwi kupuna are Christian burials and the church has the right to do what they want with them.
     
    Our iwi kupuna are being sacrificied because of someone's opinion?
     
    The facts of this case prove differently.
     
    Not everyone who is buried in Kawaiaha'o church are Christian.
     
    Not everyone buried at Kawaiaha'o were church members.
     
    There are pre-Christian burials in Kawaiaha'o church.  There are also iwi kupuna who were buried on these grounds prior to the arrival of the haole. Those are the facts.
     
    Judge Sakamoto's "opinion" begs the question: 
     
    When it did become ok to dig up Christians from their graves?
     
    Kawaiahao plans to decertify this area as a cemetery and plan to do so after they have removed upwards of 300 iwi kupuna.  They have not published any notices letting family members know this is happening.  When they apply for decertification of this area as a cemetery, it will be too late for any family members to do anything for their loved ones.
     
    How is this allowed to happen? 
     
    When did our laws allow cemeteries to be decertified and used for other purposes?  
     
    This incredibly disrespectful act is being done by Cultural Surveys Hawaii who is paid $10,000.00 for every iwi kupuna they remove.  Remember the name.  Cultural Surveys Hawaii.   They are professional grave diggers who will do anything if it pays enough. Hal Hammet is the President of this pilau company. 
     
    Cultural Surveys Hawaii is the company responsible for leaving several iwi kupuna exposed and unprotected during these excavations.  Because of this irresponsible act, some nut broke into the site, jumped into the open grave and lit a fire on the kupuna's chest. 
     
    Hal Hammet claims Cultural Surveys Hawaii does their work with the highest respect for every iwi kupuna they dig out of the ground. 
     
    Leaving iwi kupuna exposed and open to desecration is respect?
     
    The recounting of horrific acts goes on and on.  The bottom line is the iwi kupuna need help.  They need our support. They need our pule. They need our voices.
     
    Peaceful protests are continuing in front of the church. 
     
    Every Sunday 8:30 am. 
     
    Bring a sign. 
     
    Bring a friend.
     
    Bring your mana.
     
    Bring your aloha for the kupuna.
     
    Be respecful.
     
    Be peaceful.
     
    Be firm.
     
    Be pono.
     
    Peaceful protests continue in front of Kawaiaha'o Church.

    Every Sunday.  8:30 am
     
    Every day for as long as it takes.
     
    Hoomau.  Pule mau.  Aloha mau.
     
    Kamuela Andrea Kapuananialiiokama Kala'i
    a concerned moopuna
  • Tamaainareo February 4, 2012 at 10:18am

     Really Kaohi, name calling ? Not a rational way to present an argument. If you don't agree with a statement, daemonise your your oppenent with epithets ? Shameful.

    • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio > Tamaainareo February 4, 2012 at 10:28am

      Let's stay on the shameful coefficient run on large number crunching to eternity of hell to come!

      The sweet potato slide down Punchbowl hill is a far better talk for you--isn't it?  Such as the Vietnam was founded upon!!!!

      How stupid do you think we are?

      If you want sweet potato to scratch your back and your olo's go to the streets where your kind prefer!!!!

      How shameful that Hawaii legal age is 13 and the like of you want to turn our children in to porn stars, by looking at the numbers!  Not sure if your large numbers include the coin toss of heads or tails.. Not sure if this is the monkey game or the head of ones dick!

      Ask intelligent question and you have my attention--treat people like shit numbers and you got the pointer scoping out your tatau!!!!

  • Tamaainareo February 4, 2012 at 4:52am

    It is a valid question. I would have liked an objective, rational answer to my question, rather than ones which are subjective and fraught with emotion. Though I concede, the question does invoke emotion. The question really relates to genetics, and DNA.  It really boils down to is, does 1+1=2, or does it mean 1+1 =0.9999999999 ? 

     I do appreciate all of your replies. Mahalo

    • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio > Tamaainareo February 4, 2012 at 9:31am

      Tamaainareo,

      Firstly, you are a lazy butt head playing a zero sum game with humanity!  You want to crunch the numbers, randomly argue, and leave the act of reasoning to slaves!  And you get pissed off, when we don't behave as such!  Risk aversion seems more what you game is --so let's play it right!  Changing the game rules to suit your outcome smells like one has pig shit between ones toes!

      The speculative action on your part is to insight a bloody war by numbers, or lack of truth to it's cause.  The attempt to obscure the the real issue with supposedly genetics only apply to those of us on the bloodquantum!  Diggy dumb!

      It does not apply to you or anyone that are not on the platform of the bloodquantum program!

      Lazy people would rather use random sampling for their immediate profit return for speculative corporate gains.  Like make a 'bundle' within a year!  That puolo turns in a bag of  'iwi'  for the Na Kanaka communities.  All 51 communities will be at the effect of your assertion that all Pacific Islanders should live under the arm pits of US America and their army of soldiers.  The percentages are much higher in human mortality count when one compares corporate gains and their end game!

    • Amelia Gora > Tamaainareo February 4, 2012 at 8:30am

      Hi,

      Beyond emotions, the term "Kanaka Maoli" was used in the 1890 Census or pre-premeditation of dethroning our Queen in 1893.  The fact is that our ancestors said yes to the question 'are you a kanaka maoli'....the answer was either yes or no.

      Thurston and the others, who were on their way to Washington - at the expense of the pre-approved travel expenses for five (5) who were  supposed to represent the Hawaiian Kingdom btw ----the 5 were documented as "Native by birth" by the press/media.....reference:  old articles of the period...see the newspapers in the U.S.

      The Rice vs. Cayetano case became a political vehicle to legally "identity theft" of the Hawaiians.....those who are part of the Society, part of the bloodlines prior to the Captain Cook period.

      DNA is a new defining scientific process and was not used in the period.  I see no DNA in the above, but I see the legal terminologies (Hawaiian, Kanaka Maoli - the true bloods pre Capt. Cook period) used /abused over time with the results in eliminating the true peoples by an illegal occupier who did premeditate the dethronement of our Queen, treasonous to the Hawaiian Kingdom with the support of the U.S. government.....and whose baby, the State of Hawaii Government should legally be under the U.S. Embassy or the U.S. Consulate in the Hawaiian Islands.

      aloha.

       

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McsWKczU6wc

      p.s. we could also learn from other cultures/societies ----- the Samoan Islands and Aetearoa have treaties with the Hawaiian Kingdom and together we were called the Pacific Empire, a democratic group..... as for Tahiti, they were engaged with France.......

      • Tamaainareo > Amelia Gora February 4, 2012 at 10:51am

        Mahalo, Amelia for your information.

  • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio February 3, 2012 at 4:45pm

    Thanks to Sam Ohu, I found this song on Youtube:  

    Adeaze Live: Tongan and Samoan Mix


    Before Adeaze started to sing these two beautiful songs, they talked about the relationship between Samoans and Tongans in the states. And how some of us dont like each other just because of what island we come from. They mixed these two songs to dedicate it to all the Samoan and Tongan brothers and sisters out there, in hope that they would put their differences aside and unite as one! 

    (song 1: E outa) Tongan
    'E 'otua tataki au
    fakaulo 'ae maama 'i hoku loto
    pea ngaohi au koe fetu'u ngingila
    ko koe 'ae malohi moe mafimafi
    ko koe 'ae malohi moe mafimafi
    (x2)

    (song 2: E le alofa e) Samoan

    E le alofa e moni lava e faigata
    ua e tuu upu o le feagaiga
    tau lava le pologa auauna faamaoni
    A o lenei ua e tatala le upu moni

    (X2)
    Lau pele ea se'i tautino mai
    Po'o ai ea ua sili i lau va'ai
    pei o se ata ou foliga ua siomia ai na o ita

  • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio February 2, 2012 at 6:50pm

    Good Grief good one, the whiteness of  descendants is more like it!!!  Which is typical of Will Hoover another white dude!  Trying to make hay soup out of wishing and hoping by expanding ones dreams!!!!

    Pretty good citation...!  KKK hope to gain a copy and read the contents!

    Posted on: Sunday, July 2, 2006

    Walter Murray Gibson

    By Will Hoover 
    Advertiser Staff Writer

    sesq1gibson.jpg

    Advertiser library photo

    Walter Murray Gibson, a silver-tongued 19th-century adventurer, former Caribbean gunrunner and scoundrel of historic note, amassed great stature in the Hawaiian kingdom of the 1880s, rising to the post of premier and minister of foreign affairs in 1882.

    By the time of King Kalakaua's reign, the clash between natives of full- or part-Hawaiian blood and non-Hawaiians, especially white or "haole" residents, had boiled over into political as well as racial rivalry.

    With a native population previously isolated for centuries, foreign newcomers were able to grow in numbers and influence as Hawaiians were dying by the tens of thousands from diseases to which they had little resistance.

    Gibson, a U.S. southerner of English ancestry who arrived in Honolulu in 1861, was able to exploit the tensions of the times to his own benefit — by siding with the royalists.

    Three years after his arrival in the Islands, Gibson was excommunicated from the Mormon church for using church funds to take personal possession of half the island of Lana'i.

    However, he was able to sidestep that problem and eventually take ownership of the leading newspaper, the Pacific Commercial Advertiser. Ultimately he was able to expand his political clout by clinging to the coattails of King Kalakaua.

    Gibson's undoing came when he hatched a plan to form a federation of independent Polynesian island governments over which Kalakaua would be "emperor of the Pacific."

    In 1887, after the "calabash empire" scheme fell through, revolutionary leaders deposed Gibson, who fled the Islands in fear of losing his life.

    After his death in San Francisco in 1888, Gibson's body was returned to Hawai'i, where the enigmatic leader was afforded a lavish funeral attended by a large crowd of mourners.

  • Kaohi Mendiola-Kaniaupio February 2, 2012 at 6:38pm

    Pretty good question(s).  I like the bolohead questions that are seemingly numberreeh (%) and Pacific Islandish.  I don't thing...bringing in other Polynesians in Hawai'i was Kalakauaian.  Too much mouths to feed, secondly, need to know Na Kanaka was truly in breeding at that time with their own.  

    If other Polynesians wanted to come to Hawaii they came at the discretion of their chiefs as well as, what Mau's says, all are together in one canoe--therefore one would be in unity with all on board!  

    Micronesians were here in the 1800s and went home for their ancestors bones, and graves.   My legal Micronesian ohana stayed in the islands and married many times over into the Hawaiian ohana--therefore they now live on Hawaiian Homesteads Papakolea, Waimanalo, and Waianae.  

    Unfortunately, the US 1700 Daws act which was intended to keep Native Americans from marrying into the white community is the bloodquantum problem that you are referring to.  Which is a good thing...cause it ties into 200,000 acres and 40,000 thousand families on the wait list in 2012!  

    Thanks for asking these questions, I'm sure my father-in-law pure Sicilian would say differently!  Trust me there was never the same same...

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