NOTE: Because Amelia Gora aka: Hwnwahine has closed discussion, I am continuing it for PART 2 for whomever would like to post. This was the last reply she printed before closing the discussion:
what part of you're not welcomed here don't you(and your comrades) understand.
repeat post.................
hi Kaohi,
just wanted to drop by to say hello, met with positive good people, researchers, including other family members of Queen Liliuokalani today...........we're also planning a gathering of minds to discuss issues, etc.
I'll also let you know that years ago, Keanu Sai shared intense stuff while we had a meeting of more than a hundred people of the Hawaiian Genealogy Society which was unsettling and which will probably be brought up as an issue with our families...........hint: it's issues of crimes punishable by penalties and imprisonment.........a certain person made a comment about how Sai could not defend himself, etc.... probably has never met or known him.....have talked with him for more than 13 years........if they knew what we have kept secret for more than 10 years.....would they keep it to themselves? don't think so, they would be flying off into different directions........
Am surprised at the 'swamp' of posts by certain few who claim to know everything about King Kalakaua's, Queen Liliuokalani's genealogies have added their $.02/two cents to this post which is currently being read by many legal eagles!..........;P
well as the saying goes 'if they're not part of the solution, that means they're part of the problem' fits!
It took a matter of half a day to tear apart the genealogies of our Queen to understand fully what she was saying.................and other genealogist friends were amazed of the outcome...........then again, I won't be sharing that with this group...............perhaps I'll share it with you, Tane and others at a later time......
maybe those others need to attempt to tear that valuable puzzle apart......it's at the tail end of HAWAII'S STORY.
Kamehameha had documented wives and the one that some of them talk about is not listed...........as a matter of fact the ones that have no documented proof remain "hearsay" because anyone can make up one and feed it to everyone and think it is valid...........in their mind's eye.
Our families have oral histories that I've dared to publish, post, inform for the purpose of sharing who we are......then a hand full of self absorbed people try to undermine all............crabs in the bucket mentality pure and simple.
WORDS ABOUT DOCUMENTED GENEALOGIES
Queen Liliuokalani did marry a Naihe, who appears to be the brother of Paalua/JWD Paalua, the oldest son of Mataio Kekuanaoa who descends from Kamehameha's sister Kiilaweau (w). Now this is documented in the testimonies in the time of the Great Mahele.
Kaeha (w) an aka/also known as name used by Queen Liliuokalani married Naihe. She/they had children/ stepchildren: Abigail/Kapooloku aka's, Kema (k), Wahie(k), Ioane (k), Luka (w), Kaeha opio (w), hanai: Kaaumoana (w) etals. Now, these can be found in land transactions, etc. at the Bureau of Conveyances.
I have located some of her descendants/heirs and am currently working on some of the major issues which affects all of the Trusts............
Those who put out nonsense have no clue as to the intense research which affects many.........and then again, it is necessary that only a few know at this time anyway...........because the information is not meant for those who think they already know.
It's interesting how stalkers have the gall to try to locate where I post.....even Facebook which is for my own families....am also on Twitter for those on the fast track, etc....
Having come this far in the ongoing projects, God is watching, and Our tutu's, and guardians will take care as well............ diversions continue and it is expected!) (It's not intended to play around with those who 'hate' because the intent is to bring down all that is good..............many of my relatives and friends say that I shouldn't waste my breath, waste time on Maoliworld..........but to some degree it's for a purpose (did meet you, Tane, and other positive people) and with that said many will understand.
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Only POSITIVE PEOPLE can POST............end of story.
On to serious business...........aloha.
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If that is directed to me then that means that you stalked my profile page to try to dig dirt on me. Just so you know it doesn't work on me, Amelia. I have been online since about 1989, have gone HEAD TO HEAD with Ken Conklin and Jere Krischel since about 2002, and I am STILL HERE.
Talk about stalking. You stalk my Maoliworld page.
You having "Ku" stalk Kalani and I was bad enough considering that two of my lines K _______ and K___ cross his which means that "Ku" is watching AND stalking ONE OF HIS COUSINS which is stupid.
To make it worse you posted this inane statement:
"ULULANI............who is hyped up on Naihe when she sould be focusing on her own genealogy lines."
You obviously do not know that Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother.
NO ONE here is jealous of you, Tita.
You do not know my mo'okuauhau and like I stated before I forgive you for not knowing but it is clear that do you know that Ululani is the name of Naihe's mother which shows other ali'i that you do not know Queen Lili'uokalani's mo'okuauhau whom you purport to know about and to support yet you do not even know where her piko comes from. Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother which you do not even know which is the BASICS. Once again you end up making yourself look stupid, Tita.
You are a smart strong vocal oiwi woman and I like that but I agree with Kaohi:
Focus on showing your smarts like your accurate and precise posts about the New World Order, President Obama, and depleted uranium and resolving the depleted uranium problem that *we* have
instead of showing that you do not know that Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother which shows that you are stupid so I hope you had a chance to surf. Not surf the Internet like how you have clearly been surfing the Internet for Youtube videos... but surf some waves outside.
This reminds me of what I said to a coworker 2 days ago as she talked about Cebuanos & that they probably have an INFERIOR complex. Filipinos love to use that word. But that's b/c they are so colonized & already think they are SUPERIOR & everyone else (whoever that may be) is inferior.
So I told that co-worker about that but not exactly the way I wrote it out for you to comprehend. But she still didn't get it.
Having said that, you posting these type of videos, ie etiquette/behavior & bodily functions says a lot about your character & mannerisms Amelia. No wonder you live a sheltered life & harbor yourself in some archive researching legal documents only.
WEll those who lie period already have this internalized as if it's ok. That bleeds into your research & how you document things so I can see how they all tie in now.
Obviously you STILL do not know who you are talking to when you address me. I forgive you for your ignorance about my mo'okuauhau but there is NO excuse for not knowing Queen Lili'uokalani's mo'okuauhau.
You are not dumb, Amelia, but each time you post some of your diatribes like your latest ones it undermines the accurate and precise posts that you post about the New World Order, President Obama, and depleted uranium. It makes you LOOK DUMB when you continue to post your inane erratic diatribes like this one.
You are smart yet sometimes you make YOURSELF look dumb... Ikaika has NEVER reprimanded me or asked me to stop posting.
NO ONE has. In fact many have thanked me for stating the obvious to you that WHEN you diss Naihe you are DISSING QUEEN LILI'UOKALANI.
You purport to be a supporter of the queen yet you CONTINUE to diss the Naihe name when you address Stephanie NAIHE Laxton that way which makes a strong smart oiwi woman like you end up making yourself look DUMB.
It is obvious that you still do not get it so I will be more blunt than I already am:
You are making yourself look dumb when you post some of the things that you post.
Before you go mouthing off AGAIN about my mo'okuauhau you need to research QUEEN LILI'UOKALANI's mo'okuauhau AGAIN because you are making you look dumb, tita.
Listen...
I like how vocal you are as an oiwi woman. I know that you are not dumb but when you post stupid things like some of your latest diatribes IT MAKES YOU LOOK DUMB.
WHEN you do that you end up undermining your OWN research.
I know of many people who read what you write and agree with me: While your posts about the New World Order, President Obama, depleted uranium, etc are accurate WHEN you post inane diatribes like your latest ones you end up making yourself LOOK DUMB.
I will break it down for you since you still do not get it:
I like and admire vocal oiwi women like you but NOT when they are smart like you then end up making themselves look DUMB.
YOU, Miss Amelia Gora, are smart and have been making yourself look dumb.
You may want to take time off from looking at books because you are internalizing things as well as misinterpreting some things which results in a smart strong oiwi woman like yourself end up making themselves look dumb.
For non-oiwi I could not care less but since some elders want me to tell you:
Take time out to pray, Tita. You used to be "HwnSurferChic" before you started another profile here at Maoliworld.
Rest. Relax. Surf. Speak to Kelea.
Ask her to help you ride through these waves.
Take a break. Relax. Breathe, Tita... because you are smart and strong. It is all going to waste because you are making yourself look DUMB. I do not like it when strong smart oiwi women like you end up talking and/or writing too much and end up making themselves look dumb so relax and BREATHE.
Better yet go out and SURF AGAIN so that you can get back to being a strong smart and vocal oiwi woman.
Just stay focus, if Liko and Tom was there then we just have to move ahead. It's sad that this messy mess got in the way of the posting. I have the same thing happening both within family and community. As for the popular demand, I let that go a long time ago. As long as the work keeps on going that is all we can do, in hopes that intelligent people can filter the mess.
Can you imagine being called a whore during the 70s, 80s it all got tiring, but we continued the work. It's interesting that the same personalities exist just different names. Like all the psuedo scientist they will change history to fit their perspective, which is owned and operated by the Rockefeller's of the Pacific. This is my concern, our own people dancing on the need and edge of the wealthy.
I also noticed over the years that the younger generations think differently and bare the brunt of the opinions before that, but somehow had changed from their perpective (could say this better). Is the changes because of the times or did the change occur because of the way nature pans out into the environment. Not sure, could be wrong. I just like the idea of renewal when it happens. This mess, is what I call the hem of a women's skirt which I try not to go there as much as possible. Although, I admit I do miss the old women every now and then. Kaohi
Amelia Gora is younger than us.. not older so yes I agree.
It reflects how some of the younger generations think differently than some older oiwi and how some of them irrelevant of age treat other human beings.
So you're now saying that you LIED about your age to hide how really old you are? Or are you saying that b/c you don't want to seem young, naive & foolish as you really are?
"ULULANI............who is hyped up on Naihe when she sould be focusing on her own genealogy lines."
Stating the obvious but Ululani (Ali'i o Hilo) is the mother of Naihe which tells me that while she is a strong smart vocal oiwi woman she is making herself look dumb again.
Now she is trying to diss Simbralyn Kanakaole. Some of what Ms. Simbralyn posted was in defense of Amelia when she stated that some papers were purposefully destroyed which is true like with church records and some government records so should not have been dragged into Amelia's "As MaoliWorld Turns."
Hopefully Amelia will return to surfing because it will help her mentally, physically, and spiritually.
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If that is directed to me then that means that you stalked my profile page to try to dig dirt on me. Just so you know it doesn't work on me, Amelia. I have been online since about 1989, have gone HEAD TO HEAD with Ken Conklin and Jere Krischel since about 2002, and I am STILL HERE.
Talk about stalking. You stalk my Maoliworld page.
You having "Ku" stalk Kalani and I was bad enough considering that two of my lines K _______ and K___ cross his which means that "Ku" is watching AND stalking ONE OF HIS COUSINS which is stupid.
To make it worse you posted this inane statement:
"ULULANI............who is hyped up on Naihe when she sould be focusing on her own genealogy lines."
You obviously do not know that Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother.
NO ONE here is jealous of you, Tita.
You do not know my mo'okuauhau and like I stated before I forgive you for not knowing but it is clear that do you know that Ululani is the name of Naihe's mother which shows other ali'i that you do not know Queen Lili'uokalani's mo'okuauhau whom you purport to know about and to support yet you do not even know where her piko comes from. Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother which you do not even know which is the BASICS. Once again you end up making yourself look stupid, Tita.
You are a smart strong vocal oiwi woman and I like that but I agree with Kaohi:
Focus on showing your smarts like your accurate and precise posts about the New World Order, President Obama, and depleted uranium and resolving the depleted uranium problem that *we* have
instead of showing that you do not know that Ululani is the inoa of Naihe's mother which shows that you are stupid so I hope you had a chance to surf. Not surf the Internet like how you have clearly been surfing the Internet for Youtube videos... but surf some waves outside.
E malama pono and kou kino.
So I told that co-worker about that but not exactly the way I wrote it out for you to comprehend. But she still didn't get it.
Having said that, you posting these type of videos, ie etiquette/behavior & bodily functions says a lot about your character & mannerisms Amelia. No wonder you live a sheltered life & harbor yourself in some archive researching legal documents only.
PURPLE AND BROWN = MAROON...you stay marooned on your own islet too long you need some physical rest...Malama Pono!
Obviously you STILL do not know who you are talking to when you address me. I forgive you for your ignorance about my mo'okuauhau but there is NO excuse for not knowing Queen Lili'uokalani's mo'okuauhau.
You are not dumb, Amelia, but each time you post some of your diatribes like your latest ones it undermines the accurate and precise posts that you post about the New World Order, President Obama, and depleted uranium. It makes you LOOK DUMB when you continue to post your inane erratic diatribes like this one.
You are smart yet sometimes you make YOURSELF look dumb... Ikaika has NEVER reprimanded me or asked me to stop posting.
NO ONE has. In fact many have thanked me for stating the obvious to you that WHEN you diss Naihe you are DISSING QUEEN LILI'UOKALANI.
You purport to be a supporter of the queen yet you CONTINUE to diss the Naihe name when you address Stephanie NAIHE Laxton that way which makes a strong smart oiwi woman like you end up making yourself look DUMB.
It is obvious that you still do not get it so I will be more blunt than I already am:
You are making yourself look dumb when you post some of the things that you post.
Before you go mouthing off AGAIN about my mo'okuauhau you need to research QUEEN LILI'UOKALANI's mo'okuauhau AGAIN because you are making you look dumb, tita.
Listen...
I like how vocal you are as an oiwi woman. I know that you are not dumb but when you post stupid things like some of your latest diatribes IT MAKES YOU LOOK DUMB.
WHEN you do that you end up undermining your OWN research.
I know of many people who read what you write and agree with me: While your posts about the New World Order, President Obama, depleted uranium, etc are accurate WHEN you post inane diatribes like your latest ones you end up making yourself LOOK DUMB.
I will break it down for you since you still do not get it:
I like and admire vocal oiwi women like you but NOT when they are smart like you then end up making themselves look DUMB.
YOU, Miss Amelia Gora, are smart and have been making yourself look dumb.
You may want to take time off from looking at books because you are internalizing things as well as misinterpreting some things which results in a smart strong oiwi woman like yourself end up making themselves look dumb.
For non-oiwi I could not care less but since some elders want me to tell you:
Take time out to pray, Tita. You used to be "HwnSurferChic" before you started another profile here at Maoliworld.
Rest. Relax. Surf. Speak to Kelea.
Ask her to help you ride through these waves.
Take a break. Relax. Breathe, Tita... because you are smart and strong. It is all going to waste because you are making yourself look DUMB. I do not like it when strong smart oiwi women like you end up talking and/or writing too much and end up making themselves look dumb so relax and BREATHE.
Better yet go out and SURF AGAIN so that you can get back to being a strong smart and vocal oiwi woman.
IT WILL DO YOUR MIND, BODY, AND SPIRIT GOOD.
E malama pono and kou kino.
Just stay focus, if Liko and Tom was there then we just have to move ahead. It's sad that this messy mess got in the way of the posting. I have the same thing happening both within family and community. As for the popular demand, I let that go a long time ago. As long as the work keeps on going that is all we can do, in hopes that intelligent people can filter the mess.
Can you imagine being called a whore during the 70s, 80s it all got tiring, but we continued the work. It's interesting that the same personalities exist just different names. Like all the psuedo scientist they will change history to fit their perspective, which is owned and operated by the Rockefeller's of the Pacific. This is my concern, our own people dancing on the need and edge of the wealthy.
I also noticed over the years that the younger generations think differently and bare the brunt of the opinions before that, but somehow had changed from their perpective (could say this better). Is the changes because of the times or did the change occur because of the way nature pans out into the environment. Not sure, could be wrong. I just like the idea of renewal when it happens. This mess, is what I call the hem of a women's skirt which I try not to go there as much as possible. Although, I admit I do miss the old women every now and then. Kaohi
Amelia Gora is younger than us.. not older so yes I agree.
It reflects how some of the younger generations think differently than some older oiwi and how some of them irrelevant of age treat other human beings.
E malama.
She posted:
"ULULANI............who is hyped up on Naihe when she sould be focusing on her own genealogy lines."
Stating the obvious but Ululani (Ali'i o Hilo) is the mother of Naihe which tells me that while she is a strong smart vocal oiwi woman she is making herself look dumb again.
Now she is trying to diss Simbralyn Kanakaole. Some of what Ms. Simbralyn posted was in defense of Amelia when she stated that some papers were purposefully destroyed which is true like with church records and some government records so should not have been dragged into Amelia's "As MaoliWorld Turns."
Hopefully Amelia will return to surfing because it will help her mentally, physically, and spiritually.
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