Video of the day. Bush gives freedom to the Iraqi people.
Let's see how they show their gratitude for bush's fare farewell.
Any one care to share mana'o on this one? Blast away.
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Johnson, Bush Sr., Kissenger, Albright, Rockerfeller, Cheney and others were the successors of power and the new world order regime. Georgie Porgie" Jr. is just the figurehead but wields the key power of the U.S. albeit he is controlled by the corporate oligarchy. U.S. Americans don't realize they are victims as well as the rest of the world. Financial system was created to rule and control. Institutions have merged and condensed to a few who now have more power to control the world.
The barter system is ideal but not everyone had something to barter; thus coinage became a useful tool. Moving into the Industrial Age made it necessary to implement the financial system. By not regulating it, it has gotten out of hand. this is the impetus of generating the adoption of the papal bull edicts and the formation of the Manifest Doctrines and ultimately colonialism.
Today, we see the rammification of such conduct and the cancerous greed that flowered and grew. Much of this began to flourish under the noses of the fledgling U.S.A. when slavery was the norm in their country. The potential of commoners and aritocrats alike had the opportunity to seize the moment and develop it. As we can see, they couldn't forgo the mentality of master and slave and still hold that mentality.
As far as Bush, Jr. is concerned, he is following the legacy he inherited from his father who also neglected the country's economy. On the surface, his father was more benign than his real evil, ruthless character. Being part of the Rogue Regime, Bush, Jr. became the spokesman and at the helm in steering the accomplices and nation toward their goal of tyranny.
Since Georgie Porgie was a spoiled undisciplined brat and of weak character, his patented habit of manipulation and lies festered in his character as he reveals in his present day behaviour. He wasn't the first nor probably the last president to be immoral and criminal in U.S. history, but this we do know; his disdainful actions merit castigation and charges of high treason.
If I can read him that easily, imagine how many can or come to be able to see it. This is why I dislike him and what he has done and what he is a part of. The same things were going on when the U.S. invaded Hawai'i and occupied it. The characters are the same but with different faces and names. I hope you can begin to see how I feel about this and say what I do and why I don't hate Americans in general. You being kanaka maoli should know how we feel about people and that we take them on a one to one basis regardless of ethnicity or nationality. I am happy U.S. Americans love their country as much as we do. Both countries were never perfect and it's only as good as we make them.
The U.S. is in line of fire because of its status around the world and the higher they are; the harder they fall. They put themselves above all so they get to take the heat and judged by its actions. Being critical of what the U.S. does is part of the package and the U.S. Americans just have to accept that especially when it does something wrong.
I'm sure glad that Bush was not born in Hawaii. Just think of all the Deaths and Trillions of dollars spent just to get One Guy out of Office. What a shame that Bush may go for Free of any Crimes Against Humanities. So much for American Justice.............................
Yes, I agree, Bush is a war criminal. The U.S. lost alot of soldiers who thought they were fighting for freedom but to me it seems they were fighting for Bush's oil companies...He tapped our phones and totally ignored the Americans constitutional rights. Ya, I'm sure it is the whole bunch of them...including inouye and akaka and now the bail out bill doesn't bail anyone out but the credit companies and that is horrific. All the while Bush is saying we can't let the car companies go down...or the creditors so they funded them tax payers dollars to hire the thugs to come and take our houses when we can't afford to pay the mortgages because of the economy recession which "they" created..They should have gave the money to the people so we can all pay our mortgages and bring the economy back up and everyone would be safe but we are not...we are so not safe. I agree they claimed that the Afganis did 9-11 then, they went after Iraq whom the U.s. created into war criminals by funding loaning them money (no wonder the U.S. nation is in a recession) and arms. The genocide that was carried out was at the hands of the tyrant Hussein and Bush and Reagan administrations... so yes it started before he was in office from his dads terms and now he is planning to finish us off...and of course before he leaves office he wants to open "conservation lands" for oil....yes, I agre with the media there ....his last ditch to give a gift to the oil companies of allowing them to destroy lands deamed for conservation...what a corrupt jack ass...I'm sorry he is a jack ass. He is lining his pockets before he leaves offfice...He doesn't give a rip about the American people. Never did. He cares about himself, and oil..everyone else can go to hell. He is a spoiled, egotistical, arrogant...bastard and I hope he gets tried for all the war crimes he carried out in his term.
Give me a boot so I can throw it...Steel toed. The boot thrower was right to do that and I'm glad someone did.
Lana, you need to get the facts straight. The Iraqis were never terrorists and they have never attack the U.S. nor did they ever plan to do it. I don't know where you got that supercilious story from to base your argument. Secondly, Bush has not been attack because it's a popular thing to do. He is a war criminal from the start and many protested against him and the elite shoved him on to us like he is such an upstanding person. So the ridicule and bashing has always been there and it's well-deserved because of his bold-faced lies and actions.
Not enough U.S. Americans protested and tried to stop Bush and Congress from invading an innocent sovereign country who did nothing to them. This makes them soooo stupid and ignorantl ike little slaves and sheep. And that's an indeniable fact! No one will ever appreciate what Bush has done because it is criminal and they will suffer the consequence of his actions.
Retaliation is a natural course of action that will naturally find its way to the perpetrator which is the U.S.A. who has created a lot of enemies throughout the world through its foreign policy actions. Bush has already set the tone of events and Obama will have nothing to do with it once the war is brought to U.S. soil. So far, the U.S. has taken their war to other countries; and that is a fact. ..... now, that's the truth that may hurt some of you!
Iraqis were never terrorists! I could care less if Bush would veto the Akaka Bill because he won't be in office to do that. The U.S. government IS a terrorist government and you can't white-wash that by saying SOME because they ultimately act on the behalf of its citizens. It is Bush that mocks the presidency; he doesn't need our help for that! This has nothing to do with the Akaka Bill and he won't be around for the passage of the Akaka Bill; so that argument is inert. Bush is the scum of the earth and that is just the plain truth. There is nothing redeeming about Bush and he should be arrested tried and convicted as a war criminal and executed like the US did to the Japanese and Germans in the Nuremburg trials.
All 500 metric tons of is was eventually shipped to Cameco in Canada.
Note that I do NOT use American media as a source of information when it comes to international issues like the war.
"Secondly, Bush has not been attack because it's a popular thing to do. He is a war criminal from the start and many protested against him and the elite shoved him on to us like he is such an upstanding person. So the ridicule and bashing has always been there and it's well-deserved because of his bold-faced lies and actions."
Sorry but I disagree. It is a herd mentality now that he's at the end of his term. It always happens to president of the U.S. Obama is next. Some people ridicule, BASH, and MOCK the outgoing president. Ironically he was set to save our ASS by vetoing the Akaka Bill so no him being RIDICULED and bashed is NOT well-deserved.
"Not enough U.S. Americans protested and tried to stop Bush and Congress from invading an innocent sovereign country who did nothing to them. This makes them soooo stupid and ignorantl ike little slaves and sheep. And that's an indeniable fact! No one will ever appreciate what Bush has done because it is criminal and they will suffer the consequence of his actions."
Sorry but I disagree. It is NOT all Bush's fault. Look at the SENATE ROLL CALL. Remember only CONGRESS can declare war. NOT the president:
THESE people are responsible yet some people ONLY blame Bush. There is ALOT to be said about doing one's research and taking RESPONSIBILITY for ones decision. Instead some people blame Bush when they should MAN UP and take responsibility.
"Retaliation is a natural course of action that will naturally find its way to the perpetrator which is the U.S.A. who has created a lot of enemies throughout the world through its foreign policy actions. Bush has already set the tone of events and Obama will have nothing to do with it once the war is brought to U.S. soil. So far, the U.S. has taken their war to other countries; and that is a fact. ..... now, that's the truth that may hurt some of you!"
It's no secret that you despise the U.S. which is understandable but while some people abroad hate the U.S. they are the very ones who TAKE when the U.S. offers in the form of aid. With Bush he KEPT the war OUT of the U.S. and OUT of the Hawaiian Kingdom. The truth is that the U.S. has the BEST defense systems out there. You seem to have a problem accepting that but the truth is that some of THESE AMERICAN defense systems continues to HELP US TO SURVIVE. It seems as though THAT hurts you. That the one nation you seem to hate is the very one who is helping YOU to survive. There is NOTHING wrong with surviving.
"Iraqis were never terrorists! I could care less if Bush would veto the Akaka Bill because he won't be in office to do that. The U.S. government IS a terrorist government and you can't white-wash that by saying SOME because they ultimately act on the behalf of its citizens. It is Bush that mocks the presidency; he doesn't need our help for that! This has nothing to do with the Akaka Bill and he won't be around for the passage of the Akaka Bill; so that argument is inert. Bush is the scum of the earth and that is just the plain truth. There is nothing redeeming about Bush and he should be arrested tried and convicted as a war criminal and executed like the US did to the Japanese and Germans in the Nuremburg trials."
Sorry Tane but I refer to the BBC coverage NOT to American media B.S.
"Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980, triggering a bitter eight-year war which destabilised the region and devastated both countries.
The then Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein claimed as a reason for the invasion a territorial dispute over the Shatt al-Arab, the waterway which forms the boundary between the two countries.
However, the conflict was rooted in regional rivalry."
Obviously you dislike President Bush. Don't worry. January 20th is right around the corner so he will be GONE. When he is gone then there will be another scapegoat. Perhaps it will be Obama when his administration is faced with declaring war against Afghanistan and/or against Pakistan. Then you will blame him too while American defense systems protect YOU. Funny how that works doesnt it but Saddam Hussein had YELLOW CAKE stored. Afghanistan and Pakistan are next. Who will protect YOU? I know that some oiwi do not want to listen or read this but it is AMERICA and its ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS. Yes... we are protected by some of our terrorists. You can bash Bush all you want but it does not and will not change that. Sorry.
I condemn Bush from the start when he began to lie to the people. It was so transparent. I don't hate America; I hate the people that run it. If you noticed from day one, I condemned the Bush/Cheney Rogue Regime for their monstrous criminal activities. It hasn't changed in the 8 years he's been in office. He has no redeeming qualities.
I'm very well aware of the U.S. history and their racists MO. Many Texans warned all of us about Bush when he began to campaign for president in his first term. I gave him a benefit of a doubt until he started pulling his shenanigans once in office. So he does bear a lot of the responsibility as well as that pariah Cheney (Mr. Halliburton).
I've been aware of the U.S. corporate media long before Bush got put into office. BBC? You might want to review that as they are in cahoots and use the same propaganda and scam.
The war with Iran was with the aid of the CIA; Iraq NEVER attacked the U.S.A. on its soil so don't start spinning things. I, too, get my news elswhere and not through the U.S. corporate media. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11 neither did Afghanistan. No country attacked the U.S.A. The word terrorist is overused and used loosely. It's a catchword to spread fear on the ignorant. So much so that the U.S. sheeple were ready to give up their freedoms and give the Bush Regime and Congress the carte blanche.
The reason you give to legitimize the U.S. for attacking Iraq is nonsense because that is not the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq stated or implied. It had nothing to do with Iran. Bush gave feeble reasons and when one didn't do it; he made up another reason. In the end, he gave about five reasons why the U.S. had to invade Iraq and it was planned way before Georgie Boy took office. I'm well aware of others involved in its planning.
I never said Bush was the sole culprit; so quit putting words into my mouth and do a spin on it. Congress gave him a carte blanche and the people just rolled over. "All are punished!", as the Prince of Verona ended Romeo and Julliet tragedy by Shakespere. That is so true! LOL...
No, when U.S. does you a "favor" there are always strings attached. You also forget the corporations that TAKE AND TAKE being protected by U.S. troops to extort those countries. Much of the problems in other countries have been created by the U.S. corporate elite to begin with or don't you know your history? And the U.S. is not the only country that offers aid to other countries.
Bush didn't keep war out of the U.S., he put the U.S. people in harm's way by fostering wars. Hawai'i is still vunerable because the U.S. is occupying our country. There are enough WMD positioned in Oahu aimed at all the countries surrounding the Pacific Ocean and is the most densely armed islands in the world that we can't run for cover but bend over and kiss our ass goodbye! We are collateral damage and I doubt there will be many survivers; after all, they still consider us expendable as they always slip up and say to us. So it's not here to help us survive! I am very cognizant that the U.S. has enough WMD to blow the entire world 20x over. I'm not stupid Lana! Come home and see what your countrymen have done. It's been a while since you've been home. It's really starting to get out of hand.
No, we're not done with satan's seed. There are those that will prosecute him and have him tried for war crimes as well as others in his regime. With U.S. as friends; we don't need enemies. I still love the American people; but I love my country and people a hell of a lot more. Nothing is just black and white; there's a lot of gray area.
You are correct about another scapegoat. The powers that be made a mistake by putting Bush there. The status quo has not changed but they have a more charismatic, more palatable figure to replace him. Nothing's changed.
The U.S. is already in war with Afghanistan; it invaded it before Iraq. Palestine is a strained relation about to burst; Russia in on the pre-planned list, North Korea and China is square-dancing with the U.S. The winner of this whole mess is Israel who got the U.S. to do its war by proxy; so we check Iran off the list. The U.S. has established a never-ending war. All they have to say is, "terrorist!" The U.S. won't be protecting its shore but going into other countries to invaded them; that's their foreign policy, don't you know.
When the Kingdom was independent and not occupied; we had treaties of friendship, commerce and neutrality. The only one to keep the belligerent occupation going on for over a hundred plus years is the "good ole U.S.A." So, the U.S. must deoccupy our country to keep us out of harm's way. Bash Bush? I trash him! and look forward to see him arrested, tried, and convicted; he's a cockroach sniffing and eating a pile of stool; and that goes for his Rogue regime and all those a part of the criminal offenses.
Okay, I pau vent! LOL... The Bush/Cheney Regime has done the greatest harm to U.S. Americans and the world; the worst of any president in its history. So Lana, when are you coming home for some aku palu and poi? Get in touch with me and we can go to Savers or Goodwill. LOL...
Me mentioning Bush does not mean that I like him nor do I support OFFENSIVE tactics of any kind. Like I responded to your question about "Uncle" Sam... I would not be Sam because I would NOT take what does not belong to me. I do NOT believe in INVADING people and/or things that do NOT belong to me.
Notice that I focus on two main things which is often lost because some people are SO focused on President Bush instead of ON THE IWI:
1. Defense and
2. Our survival
while to ME it seems as though you focus on the OFFENSES that America has done and/or is doing and YES America and SOME Americans are rude. I am not concerned about that because most important to ME is OIWI.
I KNOW what you think about America.
Yes other oiwi SHOULD know what you think because 1) You went to school with my father and 2) You make some valid points but we diverge on my two points of defense and on our survival.
Come January 20th Bush will be GONE. Then another scapegoat will take his place and they will blame HIM for the economy, the war, the housing crash, the cost of living, etc. That is common in America and I do NOT like to see the same happening with citizens of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
Anyway to me this epitomizes how some people focus on President Bush instead of on the IWI and on its survival so I am NOT surprised. Disappointed, yes... but not surprised.
"The Iraqis also had yellow cake which IS a weapon of mass destruction in places like Tuwaitha"
Just because you have flour to bake a cake, doesn't make it a cake.
They proved there were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. They actually discredited quite a lot of liars who were pushing the Bush Administrations agenda for an invasion and a lot of jobs were lost because of their poor decision making skills. Or rather because of their inability to follow facts and uh INTERNATIONAL LAW!
Let's not forget that. The illegal U.S. Invasion into Iraq is largely regarded in the international community of neutral nations as a HUGE MISTAKE. I think that is going to stick on the U.S. record like the 5,000 some odd soldiers who are laying in graves for a War that will be regarded as a mistake. And as far as the U.S. being defensive in this attack on their system of government, I have to disagree, It was an offensive intentional attack on Iraq's already tense nation state. Their agenda was to put a root in middle eastern society and suck it dry, and Iraq was a lot easier to go in and use as a scapegoat than any of the other's. After all we had previous conflict, it's easy to dissuade the entire american public of the TRUTH.
If another country as powerful just went into D.C. full guns a blazing and started blasting everything to smithereens. And then capture BUSH because they believed(WITHOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE) that he was harboring weapons of mass destruction.(WHICH THE U.S. IS BUT I GUESS IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO HAVE W.M.D. and not anyone else). Then come to find out after you already put him on the chopping block the country didn't have any weapons of mass destruction or plans of blowing up another country.
I would say that it will be America that will get the rest of the world into severe trouble with their international policies and disregard for neutralizing tense international relations. It will be America that gets Hawai'i's ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS of the U.S. Occupied Military blown out of the water and thousands of innocent people left as collateral damage. And for their continued act of arrogance in thinking they own whatever land they land on they will eventually suffer greatly for their mistakes.
I think they already are suffering when you look at the U.S. economy. Those of us who know our national roots as kanaka maoli in Ko Hawai'i Pae 'Aina have the luxury of looking from the outside in and recognizing American flaws as they continue to flounce their flags abroad upon the flames of injustice.
You really need to rethink your argument for Bush, and uh...check your ticket at the door when it comes to your own cultural and national identity. Sounds like the captive is siding with their captor in some of your sick Stockholm Syndrome statements.
It's just...well its kind of OFF Lana...sorry...But yeah...ya sound a little zombified American brainwashed...
Yes... since I have different mana'o I am now a zombified American brainwashed.
Please let me remind YOU what the Hawaiian Kingdom Constitution states before you act like a Mana'o Bully yet turn around and imply that America and President Bush are bullies:
ARTICLE 3. All men may freely speak, write, and publish their sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right, and no law shall be enacted to restrain the liberty of speech, or of the press, except such laws as may be necessary for the protection of His Majesty the King and the Royal Family.
ARTICLE 14. Each member of society has a right to be protected by it, in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according to law; and, therefore, he shall be obliged to contribute his proportional share to the expense of this protection, and to give his personal services, or an equivalent when necessary; but no part of the property of any individual shall be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or the enactment of the Legislative Assembly, except the same shall be necessary for the military operation of the Kingdom in time of war or insurrection; and whenever the public exigencies may require that the property of any individual should be appropriated to public uses, he shall receive a reasonable compensation therefor.
"They proved there were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
Actually NO. They FOUND 550 metric TONS of yellow cake. Yellow cake is USED for nuclear weapons and from a non-biased, non-B.S. media such as the BBC they reported that they found YELLOW CAKE while the biased B.S. American media claimed that they did not. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE B.S. AMERICAN MEDIA nor the local Hawai'i media. Yes I know... the truth hurts and this is NOT from the B.S. America media. This is from less biased, more ACCURATE BBC.
"I think they already are suffering when you look at the U.S. economy. Those of us who know our national roots as kanaka maoli in Ko Hawai'i Pae 'Aina have the luxury of looking from the outside in and recognizing American flaws as they continue to flounce their flags abroad upon the flames of injustice.
You really need to rethink your argument for Bush, and uh...check your ticket at the door when it comes to your own cultural and national identity. Sounds like the captive is siding with their captor in some of your sick Stockholm Syndrome statements.
It's just...well its kind of OFF Lana...sorry...But yeah...ya sound a little zombified American brainwashed..."
Okay MANA'O BULLY.
As for knowing one's national roots... I ALREADY know who I am. No need to try to DICTATE to me to tell me what to do, think, and/or say . Americans try to do that. It does NOT work with me... okay MANA'O BULLY trying to dictate to other HAWAIIANS what to do, think and/or say. It does NOT work that way irrelevant if YOU agree with me or with other HAWAIIANS or not.
I can see that you have learned from the BULLYING by Americans to TRY to bully some HAWAIIANS.
Thanks in advance, MANA'O BULLY.
As for President Bush and America... BASH THEM ALL YOU WANT:
Mana'o bully? *giggles* Are you SERIOUSLY serious? LOL.
Sounds to me like you are the one poking the stick into your own side there. Your arguments are formulated in ways that tend to lean toward the favor of the U.S. occupying military and their illegal actions, which is why you have inspired some more stimulating conversation.
To put it frankly, our neutral nation of Hawai'i has been a launching pad for over a hundred years of war to murder billions of people around the world in the name of their so called "freedom" and "democracy." When it is truly a government built upon slavery and hypocrisy.
I mean that, both literally and figuratively here.
There has never been anything FREE about America. There has also never been anything remotely DEMOCRATIC about it either. The root word demo- from demos, meaning the common people, and its suffix -cracy from -kratos meaning rule or strength.
Since when in America's short 200 some odd years have the common people held the power over the government and it's rulers to make decisions of rule and strength. Do they get that with voting some HEAD into office? Obviously that whole phony American system got exposed with BUSH, when the election results didn't even matter when it came to who the common people wanted to put into power. American's got left with a presidential elect, who heisted a seat of government within their so-called "democracy." Who then was allowed to run rampant with his position of power like some monster in a Godzilla movie.
How is that any different from what Saddam Hussein or any other dictator has done throughout world history?
Bush then went on to invade a country without due process or proper cause, which has shot the Iraqi civilian death toll to over a million. Estimates based on the Lancet report puts the civilian death toll in Iraq, since the invasion in 2003 around 1.3 million today.
1.3 MILLION!!! That's a little over a hundred percent of the current population of the entire census in Hawai'i. READ THIS AND REMEMBER!
But wait a minute, I thought you said the BBC and American media said we were doing something good in removing a tyrant from the rule of Iraq? Is that not biased? And yet we've allowed another tyrant to take his place instead? Maybe we can go over and help them count bodies before they lose count again because the last time I checked the news keeps telling us what a good job America and the world is doing in Iraq. I think a quick fact check and a little digging into this illegal war really points us in another direction.
Wars throughout history that have been planned, trained, and launched for over a century from the very heart of our neutral country. To protect the assets of an imperialistic, warmongering, nation of corporate elitists also known as the United States of America. We allow this kind of shit to continue when we choose to play the devil's advocate in trying to find the good in the wrong's that they have done. We need to just wake up and say "'a'ole, it's just plain wrong."
There is no gray area when it comes to a million plus people dead and still counting.
I'm sure Bush meant well, right? Wrong! You want to know facts about IRAQ and the U.S. OCCUPYING MILITARY IN HAWAII? Take a look at the amount of national spending on training military killers to blow up our sacred sites and practice shooting off rounds of depleted uranium as target practice for blowing people up over in Iraq. Or wherever America's choice target will be throughout it's history of war since the 1893 invasion and current occupation of Hawai'i as their U.S. Pacific Command.
550 Metric Tons of non-weapons grade yellow-cake uranium, is nothing in comparison to the billions of dollars spent on researching and exercising major weapons of mass destruction right here on our neutral shores to go over and blow up some poor Iraqi trying to find happiness in a desert wasteland and praise Allah. Or some Vietnamese during the Vietnam war with Agent Orange developed and researched out of the University of Hawaii. Or perhaps the hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese that were targeted and murdered during WWII at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Your entire argument for this war that you have based around the YELLOWCAKE they recently found to justify your opinion from what you've read in the BBC is wrong. I hate to break it to, but you need to check your sources again. Right wing pundits now have their YELLOWCAKE, and they are going to eat it too. A Canadian power plant worked alongside the U.S. Government in a secret operation to deliver it to Canadian shores that cost "tens of millions" of dollars. And that yellowcake was sitting and rotting in a storage facility in Tuwaitha collecting radioactive dust since before 1989 and the first Gulf War. Saddam had no plans of creating weapons of mass destruction or he would have moved a bit faster with it, don't ya think?
BBC is notoriously just as biased as any American, right wing media driven frenzy, over this war in Iraq. Tony Blair and Great Britain have just as much responsibility and blame for this war based upon the continuing lies that he and Bush made while in office. The BBC is NO BETTER! If anything they are just as bad as Fox news only with a British accent.
I'm merely trying to point out some serious contradictions and discrepancies that you have made, that I feel add to the misinformation and/or confusion with the problems out there that we as kanaka face not only in Hawai'i, but in our global community to restore peace and neutrality. Call me a bully all you like? Just don't say that their decisions are just in terrorizing a nation when there were no weapons of mass destruction or plans for weapons of mass destruction to begin with. The yellowcake they found was non-weapons grade, and posed no threat other than losing money from the highest bidder to use the yellowcake for energy. And the documents that they found between Niger and Iraq were proven to be FORGED DOCUMENTS as well.
The statement's you have made around YELLOWCAKE are ridiculously false, and play into that fear based right wing media that you choose to be influenced by. You might as well pick up a gun yourself and shoot an Iraqi in the head with some of the statements you've made. Practice compassion with words and think about the human experience these poor people will always have to remember in their mo'olelo of their human existence.
I ka 'olelo no ke ola, i ka 'olelo no ka make.
If you like to play within the system then stay there. If you are comfortable with the blood thats on our hands as a few kanaka maoli struggle to stop the U.S. occupation from continuing. Fine. Just realize where that road is going to get you and those that choose to stay there in the dark for the long run. Try not to drag down the rest of us paddling hard to move forward in this canoe by resorting to blatant name calling when the argument you have presented is plainly and simply wrong. And don't stand in our way when we ask the U.S. Military to deoccupy our country when their are a few of you "Hawaiians" out there who are to afraid to stand on their own because you think you need their "defense."
As Kanaka Maoli we have been independent far longer than any American History book can even begin to muster. When we express ourselves through language need to be correct in order for us to be talking about the same thing. Terms like Hawaiian, Native Hawaiian, native Hawaiian, pure Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, native, indigenous. All of these terms were given to us throughout our history with the ENGLISH SPEAKING UNITED STATES OCCUPIER and their traitorous collaborators such as OHA and other organizations in order to box us into a system that still can't seem to figure out how to fit us into the box. You seem to struggle with this in your expression through the english language. Figure it out.
I would hope that you would have an understanding for using correct terms when it comes to defining yourself and your mana'o when others share freely.
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The barter system is ideal but not everyone had something to barter; thus coinage became a useful tool. Moving into the Industrial Age made it necessary to implement the financial system. By not regulating it, it has gotten out of hand. this is the impetus of generating the adoption of the papal bull edicts and the formation of the Manifest Doctrines and ultimately colonialism.
Today, we see the rammification of such conduct and the cancerous greed that flowered and grew. Much of this began to flourish under the noses of the fledgling U.S.A. when slavery was the norm in their country. The potential of commoners and aritocrats alike had the opportunity to seize the moment and develop it. As we can see, they couldn't forgo the mentality of master and slave and still hold that mentality.
As far as Bush, Jr. is concerned, he is following the legacy he inherited from his father who also neglected the country's economy. On the surface, his father was more benign than his real evil, ruthless character. Being part of the Rogue Regime, Bush, Jr. became the spokesman and at the helm in steering the accomplices and nation toward their goal of tyranny.
Since Georgie Porgie was a spoiled undisciplined brat and of weak character, his patented habit of manipulation and lies festered in his character as he reveals in his present day behaviour. He wasn't the first nor probably the last president to be immoral and criminal in U.S. history, but this we do know; his disdainful actions merit castigation and charges of high treason.
If I can read him that easily, imagine how many can or come to be able to see it. This is why I dislike him and what he has done and what he is a part of. The same things were going on when the U.S. invaded Hawai'i and occupied it. The characters are the same but with different faces and names. I hope you can begin to see how I feel about this and say what I do and why I don't hate Americans in general. You being kanaka maoli should know how we feel about people and that we take them on a one to one basis regardless of ethnicity or nationality. I am happy U.S. Americans love their country as much as we do. Both countries were never perfect and it's only as good as we make them.
The U.S. is in line of fire because of its status around the world and the higher they are; the harder they fall. They put themselves above all so they get to take the heat and judged by its actions. Being critical of what the U.S. does is part of the package and the U.S. Americans just have to accept that especially when it does something wrong.
Give me a boot so I can throw it...Steel toed. The boot thrower was right to do that and I'm glad someone did.
Not enough U.S. Americans protested and tried to stop Bush and Congress from invading an innocent sovereign country who did nothing to them. This makes them soooo stupid and ignorantl ike little slaves and sheep. And that's an indeniable fact! No one will ever appreciate what Bush has done because it is criminal and they will suffer the consequence of his actions.
Retaliation is a natural course of action that will naturally find its way to the perpetrator which is the U.S.A. who has created a lot of enemies throughout the world through its foreign policy actions. Bush has already set the tone of events and Obama will have nothing to do with it once the war is brought to U.S. soil. So far, the U.S. has taken their war to other countries; and that is a fact. ..... now, that's the truth that may hurt some of you!
Iraqis were never terrorists! I could care less if Bush would veto the Akaka Bill because he won't be in office to do that. The U.S. government IS a terrorist government and you can't white-wash that by saying SOME because they ultimately act on the behalf of its citizens. It is Bush that mocks the presidency; he doesn't need our help for that! This has nothing to do with the Akaka Bill and he won't be around for the passage of the Akaka Bill; so that argument is inert. Bush is the scum of the earth and that is just the plain truth. There is nothing redeeming about Bush and he should be arrested tried and convicted as a war criminal and executed like the US did to the Japanese and Germans in the Nuremburg trials.
Sorry Tane but it seems popular to CONDEMN the Iraq War but Iraq INVADED Iran on Sept 22, 1980 so yes they ARE terrorists too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4260420.stm
The Iraqis also had yellow cake which IS a weapon of mass destruction in places like Tuwaitha
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3009082.stm
All 500 metric tons of is was eventually shipped to Cameco in Canada.
Note that I do NOT use American media as a source of information when it comes to international issues like the war.
"Secondly, Bush has not been attack because it's a popular thing to do. He is a war criminal from the start and many protested against him and the elite shoved him on to us like he is such an upstanding person. So the ridicule and bashing has always been there and it's well-deserved because of his bold-faced lies and actions."
Sorry but I disagree. It is a herd mentality now that he's at the end of his term. It always happens to president of the U.S. Obama is next. Some people ridicule, BASH, and MOCK the outgoing president. Ironically he was set to save our ASS by vetoing the Akaka Bill so no him being RIDICULED and bashed is NOT well-deserved.
"Not enough U.S. Americans protested and tried to stop Bush and Congress from invading an innocent sovereign country who did nothing to them. This makes them soooo stupid and ignorantl ike little slaves and sheep. And that's an indeniable fact! No one will ever appreciate what Bush has done because it is criminal and they will suffer the consequence of his actions."
Sorry but I disagree. It is NOT all Bush's fault. Look at the SENATE ROLL CALL. Remember only CONGRESS can declare war. NOT the president:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vot...
THESE people are responsible yet some people ONLY blame Bush. There is ALOT to be said about doing one's research and taking RESPONSIBILITY for ones decision. Instead some people blame Bush when they should MAN UP and take responsibility.
"Retaliation is a natural course of action that will naturally find its way to the perpetrator which is the U.S.A. who has created a lot of enemies throughout the world through its foreign policy actions. Bush has already set the tone of events and Obama will have nothing to do with it once the war is brought to U.S. soil. So far, the U.S. has taken their war to other countries; and that is a fact. ..... now, that's the truth that may hurt some of you!"
It's no secret that you despise the U.S. which is understandable but while some people abroad hate the U.S. they are the very ones who TAKE when the U.S. offers in the form of aid. With Bush he KEPT the war OUT of the U.S. and OUT of the Hawaiian Kingdom. The truth is that the U.S. has the BEST defense systems out there. You seem to have a problem accepting that but the truth is that some of THESE AMERICAN defense systems continues to HELP US TO SURVIVE. It seems as though THAT hurts you. That the one nation you seem to hate is the very one who is helping YOU to survive. There is NOTHING wrong with surviving.
"Iraqis were never terrorists! I could care less if Bush would veto the Akaka Bill because he won't be in office to do that. The U.S. government IS a terrorist government and you can't white-wash that by saying SOME because they ultimately act on the behalf of its citizens. It is Bush that mocks the presidency; he doesn't need our help for that! This has nothing to do with the Akaka Bill and he won't be around for the passage of the Akaka Bill; so that argument is inert. Bush is the scum of the earth and that is just the plain truth. There is nothing redeeming about Bush and he should be arrested tried and convicted as a war criminal and executed like the US did to the Japanese and Germans in the Nuremburg trials."
Sorry Tane but I refer to the BBC coverage NOT to American media B.S.
"Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980, triggering a bitter eight-year war which destabilised the region and devastated both countries.
The then Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein claimed as a reason for the invasion a territorial dispute over the Shatt al-Arab, the waterway which forms the boundary between the two countries.
However, the conflict was rooted in regional rivalry."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4260420.stm
Obviously you dislike President Bush. Don't worry. January 20th is right around the corner so he will be GONE. When he is gone then there will be another scapegoat. Perhaps it will be Obama when his administration is faced with declaring war against Afghanistan and/or against Pakistan. Then you will blame him too while American defense systems protect YOU. Funny how that works doesnt it but Saddam Hussein had YELLOW CAKE stored. Afghanistan and Pakistan are next. Who will protect YOU? I know that some oiwi do not want to listen or read this but it is AMERICA and its ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS. Yes... we are protected by some of our terrorists. You can bash Bush all you want but it does not and will not change that. Sorry.
Aloha, L
I'm very well aware of the U.S. history and their racists MO. Many Texans warned all of us about Bush when he began to campaign for president in his first term. I gave him a benefit of a doubt until he started pulling his shenanigans once in office. So he does bear a lot of the responsibility as well as that pariah Cheney (Mr. Halliburton).
I've been aware of the U.S. corporate media long before Bush got put into office. BBC? You might want to review that as they are in cahoots and use the same propaganda and scam.
The war with Iran was with the aid of the CIA; Iraq NEVER attacked the U.S.A. on its soil so don't start spinning things. I, too, get my news elswhere and not through the U.S. corporate media. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11 neither did Afghanistan. No country attacked the U.S.A. The word terrorist is overused and used loosely. It's a catchword to spread fear on the ignorant. So much so that the U.S. sheeple were ready to give up their freedoms and give the Bush Regime and Congress the carte blanche.
The reason you give to legitimize the U.S. for attacking Iraq is nonsense because that is not the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq stated or implied. It had nothing to do with Iran. Bush gave feeble reasons and when one didn't do it; he made up another reason. In the end, he gave about five reasons why the U.S. had to invade Iraq and it was planned way before Georgie Boy took office. I'm well aware of others involved in its planning.
I never said Bush was the sole culprit; so quit putting words into my mouth and do a spin on it. Congress gave him a carte blanche and the people just rolled over. "All are punished!", as the Prince of Verona ended Romeo and Julliet tragedy by Shakespere. That is so true! LOL...
No, when U.S. does you a "favor" there are always strings attached. You also forget the corporations that TAKE AND TAKE being protected by U.S. troops to extort those countries. Much of the problems in other countries have been created by the U.S. corporate elite to begin with or don't you know your history? And the U.S. is not the only country that offers aid to other countries.
Bush didn't keep war out of the U.S., he put the U.S. people in harm's way by fostering wars. Hawai'i is still vunerable because the U.S. is occupying our country. There are enough WMD positioned in Oahu aimed at all the countries surrounding the Pacific Ocean and is the most densely armed islands in the world that we can't run for cover but bend over and kiss our ass goodbye! We are collateral damage and I doubt there will be many survivers; after all, they still consider us expendable as they always slip up and say to us. So it's not here to help us survive! I am very cognizant that the U.S. has enough WMD to blow the entire world 20x over. I'm not stupid Lana! Come home and see what your countrymen have done. It's been a while since you've been home. It's really starting to get out of hand.
No, we're not done with satan's seed. There are those that will prosecute him and have him tried for war crimes as well as others in his regime. With U.S. as friends; we don't need enemies. I still love the American people; but I love my country and people a hell of a lot more. Nothing is just black and white; there's a lot of gray area.
You are correct about another scapegoat. The powers that be made a mistake by putting Bush there. The status quo has not changed but they have a more charismatic, more palatable figure to replace him. Nothing's changed.
The U.S. is already in war with Afghanistan; it invaded it before Iraq. Palestine is a strained relation about to burst; Russia in on the pre-planned list, North Korea and China is square-dancing with the U.S. The winner of this whole mess is Israel who got the U.S. to do its war by proxy; so we check Iran off the list. The U.S. has established a never-ending war. All they have to say is, "terrorist!" The U.S. won't be protecting its shore but going into other countries to invaded them; that's their foreign policy, don't you know.
When the Kingdom was independent and not occupied; we had treaties of friendship, commerce and neutrality. The only one to keep the belligerent occupation going on for over a hundred plus years is the "good ole U.S.A." So, the U.S. must deoccupy our country to keep us out of harm's way. Bash Bush? I trash him! and look forward to see him arrested, tried, and convicted; he's a cockroach sniffing and eating a pile of stool; and that goes for his Rogue regime and all those a part of the criminal offenses.
Okay, I pau vent! LOL... The Bush/Cheney Regime has done the greatest harm to U.S. Americans and the world; the worst of any president in its history. So Lana, when are you coming home for some aku palu and poi? Get in touch with me and we can go to Savers or Goodwill. LOL...
Aloha,
Tane
Me mentioning Bush does not mean that I like him nor do I support OFFENSIVE tactics of any kind. Like I responded to your question about "Uncle" Sam... I would not be Sam because I would NOT take what does not belong to me. I do NOT believe in INVADING people and/or things that do NOT belong to me.
Notice that I focus on two main things which is often lost because some people are SO focused on President Bush instead of ON THE IWI:
1. Defense and
2. Our survival
while to ME it seems as though you focus on the OFFENSES that America has done and/or is doing and YES America and SOME Americans are rude. I am not concerned about that because most important to ME is OIWI.
I KNOW what you think about America.
Yes other oiwi SHOULD know what you think because 1) You went to school with my father and 2) You make some valid points but we diverge on my two points of defense and on our survival.
Come January 20th Bush will be GONE. Then another scapegoat will take his place and they will blame HIM for the economy, the war, the housing crash, the cost of living, etc. That is common in America and I do NOT like to see the same happening with citizens of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
Anyway to me this epitomizes how some people focus on President Bush instead of on the IWI and on its survival so I am NOT surprised. Disappointed, yes... but not surprised.
JUST MY MANA'O ;)
Aloha, L
"The Iraqis also had yellow cake which IS a weapon of mass destruction in places like Tuwaitha"
Just because you have flour to bake a cake, doesn't make it a cake.
They proved there were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. They actually discredited quite a lot of liars who were pushing the Bush Administrations agenda for an invasion and a lot of jobs were lost because of their poor decision making skills. Or rather because of their inability to follow facts and uh INTERNATIONAL LAW!
Let's not forget that. The illegal U.S. Invasion into Iraq is largely regarded in the international community of neutral nations as a HUGE MISTAKE. I think that is going to stick on the U.S. record like the 5,000 some odd soldiers who are laying in graves for a War that will be regarded as a mistake. And as far as the U.S. being defensive in this attack on their system of government, I have to disagree, It was an offensive intentional attack on Iraq's already tense nation state. Their agenda was to put a root in middle eastern society and suck it dry, and Iraq was a lot easier to go in and use as a scapegoat than any of the other's. After all we had previous conflict, it's easy to dissuade the entire american public of the TRUTH.
If another country as powerful just went into D.C. full guns a blazing and started blasting everything to smithereens. And then capture BUSH because they believed(WITHOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE) that he was harboring weapons of mass destruction.(WHICH THE U.S. IS BUT I GUESS IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO HAVE W.M.D. and not anyone else). Then come to find out after you already put him on the chopping block the country didn't have any weapons of mass destruction or plans of blowing up another country.
I would say that it will be America that will get the rest of the world into severe trouble with their international policies and disregard for neutralizing tense international relations. It will be America that gets Hawai'i's ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS of the U.S. Occupied Military blown out of the water and thousands of innocent people left as collateral damage. And for their continued act of arrogance in thinking they own whatever land they land on they will eventually suffer greatly for their mistakes.
I think they already are suffering when you look at the U.S. economy. Those of us who know our national roots as kanaka maoli in Ko Hawai'i Pae 'Aina have the luxury of looking from the outside in and recognizing American flaws as they continue to flounce their flags abroad upon the flames of injustice.
You really need to rethink your argument for Bush, and uh...check your ticket at the door when it comes to your own cultural and national identity. Sounds like the captive is siding with their captor in some of your sick Stockholm Syndrome statements.
It's just...well its kind of OFF Lana...sorry...But yeah...ya sound a little zombified American brainwashed...
Hale Mawae
Eo Lono!
Please let me remind YOU what the Hawaiian Kingdom Constitution states before you act like a Mana'o Bully yet turn around and imply that America and President Bush are bullies:
ARTICLE 3. All men may freely speak, write, and publish their sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right, and no law shall be enacted to restrain the liberty of speech, or of the press, except such laws as may be necessary for the protection of His Majesty the King and the Royal Family.
ARTICLE 14. Each member of society has a right to be protected by it, in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according to law; and, therefore, he shall be obliged to contribute his proportional share to the expense of this protection, and to give his personal services, or an equivalent when necessary; but no part of the property of any individual shall be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or the enactment of the Legislative Assembly, except the same shall be necessary for the military operation of the Kingdom in time of war or insurrection; and whenever the public exigencies may require that the property of any individual should be appropriated to public uses, he shall receive a reasonable compensation therefor.
http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/constitution.shtml
QUICK FACT CHECK, Hale.
"They proved there were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
Actually NO. They FOUND 550 metric TONS of yellow cake. Yellow cake is USED for nuclear weapons and from a non-biased, non-B.S. media such as the BBC they reported that they found YELLOW CAKE while the biased B.S. American media claimed that they did not. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE B.S. AMERICAN MEDIA nor the local Hawai'i media. Yes I know... the truth hurts and this is NOT from the B.S. America media. This is from less biased, more ACCURATE BBC.
"I think they already are suffering when you look at the U.S. economy. Those of us who know our national roots as kanaka maoli in Ko Hawai'i Pae 'Aina have the luxury of looking from the outside in and recognizing American flaws as they continue to flounce their flags abroad upon the flames of injustice.
You really need to rethink your argument for Bush, and uh...check your ticket at the door when it comes to your own cultural and national identity. Sounds like the captive is siding with their captor in some of your sick Stockholm Syndrome statements.
It's just...well its kind of OFF Lana...sorry...But yeah...ya sound a little zombified American brainwashed..."
Okay MANA'O BULLY.
As for knowing one's national roots... I ALREADY know who I am. No need to try to DICTATE to me to tell me what to do, think, and/or say . Americans try to do that. It does NOT work with me... okay MANA'O BULLY trying to dictate to other HAWAIIANS what to do, think and/or say. It does NOT work that way irrelevant if YOU agree with me or with other HAWAIIANS or not.
I can see that you have learned from the BULLYING by Americans to TRY to bully some HAWAIIANS.
Thanks in advance, MANA'O BULLY.
As for President Bush and America... BASH THEM ALL YOU WANT:
http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/constitution.shtml
http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/info-suffrage.shtml
NO ONE is stopping you.
However REMEMBER that other HAWAIIANS have different mana'o and have a RIGHT to express them IRRELEVANT if you accuse them of
1. Being a traitor
2. TELLING them that they are not Hawaiian and/or
3. Accusing of them being brainwashed.
READ THIS AND REMEMBER.
Aloha, L
Sounds to me like you are the one poking the stick into your own side there. Your arguments are formulated in ways that tend to lean toward the favor of the U.S. occupying military and their illegal actions, which is why you have inspired some more stimulating conversation.
To put it frankly, our neutral nation of Hawai'i has been a launching pad for over a hundred years of war to murder billions of people around the world in the name of their so called "freedom" and "democracy." When it is truly a government built upon slavery and hypocrisy.
I mean that, both literally and figuratively here.
There has never been anything FREE about America. There has also never been anything remotely DEMOCRATIC about it either. The root word demo- from demos, meaning the common people, and its suffix -cracy from -kratos meaning rule or strength.
Since when in America's short 200 some odd years have the common people held the power over the government and it's rulers to make decisions of rule and strength. Do they get that with voting some HEAD into office? Obviously that whole phony American system got exposed with BUSH, when the election results didn't even matter when it came to who the common people wanted to put into power. American's got left with a presidential elect, who heisted a seat of government within their so-called "democracy." Who then was allowed to run rampant with his position of power like some monster in a Godzilla movie.
How is that any different from what Saddam Hussein or any other dictator has done throughout world history?
Bush then went on to invade a country without due process or proper cause, which has shot the Iraqi civilian death toll to over a million. Estimates based on the Lancet report puts the civilian death toll in Iraq, since the invasion in 2003 around 1.3 million today.
1.3 MILLION!!! That's a little over a hundred percent of the current population of the entire census in Hawai'i. READ THIS AND REMEMBER!
But wait a minute, I thought you said the BBC and American media said we were doing something good in removing a tyrant from the rule of Iraq? Is that not biased? And yet we've allowed another tyrant to take his place instead? Maybe we can go over and help them count bodies before they lose count again because the last time I checked the news keeps telling us what a good job America and the world is doing in Iraq. I think a quick fact check and a little digging into this illegal war really points us in another direction.
Wars throughout history that have been planned, trained, and launched for over a century from the very heart of our neutral country. To protect the assets of an imperialistic, warmongering, nation of corporate elitists also known as the United States of America. We allow this kind of shit to continue when we choose to play the devil's advocate in trying to find the good in the wrong's that they have done. We need to just wake up and say "'a'ole, it's just plain wrong."
There is no gray area when it comes to a million plus people dead and still counting.
I'm sure Bush meant well, right? Wrong! You want to know facts about IRAQ and the U.S. OCCUPYING MILITARY IN HAWAII? Take a look at the amount of national spending on training military killers to blow up our sacred sites and practice shooting off rounds of depleted uranium as target practice for blowing people up over in Iraq. Or wherever America's choice target will be throughout it's history of war since the 1893 invasion and current occupation of Hawai'i as their U.S. Pacific Command.
550 Metric Tons of non-weapons grade yellow-cake uranium, is nothing in comparison to the billions of dollars spent on researching and exercising major weapons of mass destruction right here on our neutral shores to go over and blow up some poor Iraqi trying to find happiness in a desert wasteland and praise Allah. Or some Vietnamese during the Vietnam war with Agent Orange developed and researched out of the University of Hawaii. Or perhaps the hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese that were targeted and murdered during WWII at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Your entire argument for this war that you have based around the YELLOWCAKE they recently found to justify your opinion from what you've read in the BBC is wrong. I hate to break it to, but you need to check your sources again. Right wing pundits now have their YELLOWCAKE, and they are going to eat it too. A Canadian power plant worked alongside the U.S. Government in a secret operation to deliver it to Canadian shores that cost "tens of millions" of dollars. And that yellowcake was sitting and rotting in a storage facility in Tuwaitha collecting radioactive dust since before 1989 and the first Gulf War. Saddam had no plans of creating weapons of mass destruction or he would have moved a bit faster with it, don't ya think?
BBC is notoriously just as biased as any American, right wing media driven frenzy, over this war in Iraq. Tony Blair and Great Britain have just as much responsibility and blame for this war based upon the continuing lies that he and Bush made while in office. The BBC is NO BETTER! If anything they are just as bad as Fox news only with a British accent.
I'm merely trying to point out some serious contradictions and discrepancies that you have made, that I feel add to the misinformation and/or confusion with the problems out there that we as kanaka face not only in Hawai'i, but in our global community to restore peace and neutrality. Call me a bully all you like? Just don't say that their decisions are just in terrorizing a nation when there were no weapons of mass destruction or plans for weapons of mass destruction to begin with. The yellowcake they found was non-weapons grade, and posed no threat other than losing money from the highest bidder to use the yellowcake for energy. And the documents that they found between Niger and Iraq were proven to be FORGED DOCUMENTS as well.
The statement's you have made around YELLOWCAKE are ridiculously false, and play into that fear based right wing media that you choose to be influenced by. You might as well pick up a gun yourself and shoot an Iraqi in the head with some of the statements you've made. Practice compassion with words and think about the human experience these poor people will always have to remember in their mo'olelo of their human existence.
I ka 'olelo no ke ola, i ka 'olelo no ka make.
If you like to play within the system then stay there. If you are comfortable with the blood thats on our hands as a few kanaka maoli struggle to stop the U.S. occupation from continuing. Fine. Just realize where that road is going to get you and those that choose to stay there in the dark for the long run. Try not to drag down the rest of us paddling hard to move forward in this canoe by resorting to blatant name calling when the argument you have presented is plainly and simply wrong. And don't stand in our way when we ask the U.S. Military to deoccupy our country when their are a few of you "Hawaiians" out there who are to afraid to stand on their own because you think you need their "defense."
As Kanaka Maoli we have been independent far longer than any American History book can even begin to muster. When we express ourselves through language need to be correct in order for us to be talking about the same thing. Terms like Hawaiian, Native Hawaiian, native Hawaiian, pure Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, native, indigenous. All of these terms were given to us throughout our history with the ENGLISH SPEAKING UNITED STATES OCCUPIER and their traitorous collaborators such as OHA and other organizations in order to box us into a system that still can't seem to figure out how to fit us into the box. You seem to struggle with this in your expression through the english language. Figure it out.
I would hope that you would have an understanding for using correct terms when it comes to defining yourself and your mana'o when others share freely.
And it's Mr. Mana'o Pono to you. Mahalo. ;-)
Hale Mawae
Eo Lono!
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