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Chris Hedges: NDAA Lawsuit Update

Sierra Adamson interviews Chris Hedges at the hearing for the second court of appeals in the Hedges v Obama NDAA lawsuit. Hedges explains what has happened in the lawsuit to date, the next steps and what he sees in America's upcoming future.

Posted February 09, 2013

NDAA May Already Be Detaining Americans

 

 

Activist Heavyweights Convene Against NDAA

After a court hearing over the 2012 NDAA in Manhattan on Wednesday, Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges appeared on a panel of activists who are suing the Obama administration over its attempt to claim the right to indefinitely hold U.S. citizens in military detention.

The group convened to discuss the state of the lawsuit. Joining Hedges were these co-plaintiffs: Pentagon Papers whistle-blower Daniel Ellsberg; Revolution Truth Executive Director Tangerine Bolen; journalist and U.S Day of Rage founder Alexa O’Brien; and Demand Progress Executive Director David Segal. They were joined by legal counsel Carl Mayer and Bruce Afran.

For a second panel on the “broader context of the case,” Hedges, Ellsberg and Bolen remained and were joined by filmmaker Michael Moore, NSA whistle-blower Thomas Drake and Jesselyn Radack, an attorney for CIA whistle-blower John Kiriakou and a director of the Government Accountability Project.

Natasha Lennard of Salon.com and Matt Sledge of The Huffington Post moderated the discussion, which was organized by StopNDAA.

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Said Carl Mayer: “In broad terms, the stakes I think are very high, because what our case comes down to is, are we going to have a civil justice system in the United States, or a military justice system? The civil justice system is something that’s ingrained in the Constitution and was always very important in combating tyranny and building a democratic society. And what the NDAA is trying to impose is a system of military justice that allows the military to police the streets of America, to detain U.S. citizens, to detain residents in the United States, in military prisons. And I say that probably the most frightening aspect of the NDAA is that it allows for detention, quote, ‘until the end of hostilities.’ We’re now, by my count, at day 4,163 of this war, which is an open-ended war against al-Qaida, the Taliban, and now it’s defined as ‘associated forces’ in the NDAA.”

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Human Right· 3 days ago

The NDAA is a law that most citizens don't know about because it was signed on Xmas eve of 2011 when nobody was listening. It is a law that takes away our basic right to court trial, and we can be held without reason for any length of time. The NDAA goes against all of our constitutional rights. It must be eradicated unless you want to live in a police/military state.
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ringo· 3 days ago

NDAA, already detaining Americans, WELL LOOK HERE! ! someone has got to fill those CAMPS ,HALIBURTON HAVE BUILT ALL OVER THE US. it's like weapon manufacturing, they have got to be used to make room for more weapon manufacturing, seems sensible to me to pack those camps that halli have built, with home grown " terrorists " after all that's why the camps are there.
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jerry· 3 days ago

Americans, against the odds, have thus far been resilient in accepting the tyranical Patriotact, NDAA rule of CENTOCOM over our "commons" the "homeland". 

The need as professed by the acolytes of the NDAA is based on the past US military abuses against so many peoples having warrented a predictably intense blow back of ungovernable implications. 

Bless his soul Chalmers Johnson would love to be with Moore, Hedges and all of the members in the suit to cheer them on with "I told You So" tatooed on his high forehead in bold gothic print. 

Blow back isnt something common Americans need to worry about in truth, after all we didnt do anything criminally insane like invade other nation on false pretenses, we were duped into believeing we had been sucker punched by Muslim Extremists, after which we learned that the paid players of 911 danced in nudie bars the night before and did coke to stay awake during their activities, found in the night club in question's lavatory by FBI agents the substance is tracable to CIA supplies chain, Imagine that, 

Other evidence contradicts mightily the factoidalliances of the Kean Zoelick Report which has been basically shreded by scientific analysis ongoing for ten plus years in various labs. Kean admitted as much and the FBI agent in charge of monitoring the education of pilots did invoke the fifth forever so to speak thus far so we dont really have Rice clinched as a suspect in aiding and abetting for witholding evidence and obstructing an investigation although that is still a hidden lever with fulcrum in place to move this forward, if the agency so desired. 

It could get pretty ugly, people could find themselves disgracced before their peers, shackled and dragged off to jail, courts, and whatnot but not if military law rules the land which would serve as a preotection for the bureaucrat classes under CENTOCOMS commond and control of commons major players of the police state are held above the law if that would ensue. Otherwise citizens have no recourse for citizens arrest or forming of militias, rights to assemble or habeus corpus rights, we are gestapo ruled by folks known to have supported another gestapo system in another place and time, Funny how the police states move in, get kicked out, come back, get kicked out again and never learn that manging populous as the Gatekeepers movie clearly shows leads to "shin beth States" or shall we say zombieland, Ayn Rand was right about one thing members of the club earn their way in by checking their souls at the door and faking their faith for a cover, a mask of piety eclipses the darkness of their eyes.
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JOe· 3 days ago

I was originally very sceptical indeed of Hedges, who I saw as an out of touch middle-class pampered American, but I like his work more and more these days.
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Yes, that's it - 

instead of snapping and coming out shooting mindlessly ... 

if only the American people learnt their Constitution properly and harnessed their minds, they'd find it far more powerful than any gun!
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boomslang· 2 days ago

Patriot Act = Martial Law. 

That's all you need to know!
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    Human Right· 3 days ago

    The NDAA is a law that most citizens don't know about because it was signed on Xmas eve of 2011 when nobody was listening. It is a law that takes away our basic right to court trial, and we can be held without reason for any length of time. The NDAA goes against all of our constitutional rights. It must be eradicated unless you want to live in a police/military state.
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    ringo· 3 days ago

    NDAA, already detaining Americans, WELL LOOK HERE! ! someone has got to fill those CAMPS ,HALIBURTON HAVE BUILT ALL OVER THE US. it's like weapon manufacturing, they have got to be used to make room for more weapon manufacturing, seems sensible to me to pack those camps that halli have built, with home grown " terrorists " after all that's why the camps are there.
    Share/Save/Bookmark
    jerry's avatar

    jerry· 3 days ago

    Americans, against the odds, have thus far been resilient in accepting the tyranical Patriotact, NDAA rule of CENTOCOM over our "commons" the "homeland". 

    The need as professed by the acolytes of the NDAA is based on the past US military abuses against so many peoples having warrented a predictably intense blow back of ungovernable implications. 

    Bless his soul Chalmers Johnson would love to be with Moore, Hedges and all of the members in the suit to cheer them on with "I told You So" tatooed on his high forehead in bold gothic print. 

    Blow back isnt something common Americans need to worry about in truth, after all we didnt do anything criminally insane like invade other nation on false pretenses, we were duped into believeing we had been sucker punched by Muslim Extremists, after which we learned that the paid players of 911 danced in nudie bars the night before and did coke to stay awake during their activities, found in the night club in question's lavatory by FBI agents the substance is tracable to CIA supplies chain, Imagine that, 

    Other evidence contradicts mightily the factoidalliances of the Kean Zoelick Report which has been basically shreded by scientific analysis ongoing for ten plus years in various labs. Kean admitted as much and the FBI agent in charge of monitoring the education of pilots did invoke the fifth forever so to speak thus far so we dont really have Rice clinched as a suspect in aiding and abetting for witholding evidence and obstructing an investigation although that is still a hidden lever with fulcrum in place to move this forward, if the agency so desired. 

    It could get pretty ugly, people could find themselves disgracced before their peers, shackled and dragged off to jail, courts, and whatnot but not if military law rules the land which would serve as a preotection for the bureaucrat classes under CENTOCOMS commond and control of commons major players of the police state are held above the law if that would ensue. Otherwise citizens have no recourse for citizens arrest or forming of militias, rights to assemble or habeus corpus rights, we are gestapo ruled by folks known to have supported another gestapo system in another place and time, Funny how the police states move in, get kicked out, come back, get kicked out again and never learn that manging populous as the Gatekeepers movie clearly shows leads to "shin beth States" or shall we say zombieland, Ayn Rand was right about one thing members of the club earn their way in by checking their souls at the door and faking their faith for a cover, a mask of piety eclipses the darkness of their eyes.
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    JOe· 3 days ago

    I was originally very sceptical indeed of Hedges, who I saw as an out of touch middle-class pampered American, but I like his work more and more these days.
    Share/Save/Bookmark
    2 replies · active 2 days ago
    Yes, that's it - 

    instead of snapping and coming out shooting mindlessly ... 

    if only the American people learnt their Constitution properly and harnessed their minds, they'd find it far more powerful than any gun!
    Share/Save/Bookmark
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    boomslang· 2 days ago

    Patriot Act = Martial Law. 

    That's all you need to know!
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    Amelia Gora· 2 minutes ago

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    one of the problematic areas in the U.S. History appears when the U.S. allowed the Corporations to be recognized as a person..see: 1886 entry "Corporations get rights of individual", Washington, D.C. May 20, CHRONICLE OF AMERICA Publications. Lot of changes would occur if this was rescinded and made illegal. Rescinding the decision made by the U.S. Supreme Court on Corporations will affect all corporations activities, including the U.S. government operating as a corporation, which moves to utilize NDAA to oversee the military in confiscating true individuals. A Corporation stripped of being an "individual" would not be able to legally affect a true individual. A Corporation would not be able to prosecute individuals who are living, human beings. Therefore, the U.S. Supreme Court erred in declaring that Corporations are "individuals", and this precedence needs to be removed. The rights of journalists, editors, Manning, et. als. will be greatly affected as well. aloha.
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