Posted by Tane on September 4, 2009 at 8:02pm in Politics
The question should have been, "Why do Ms. Kia'aina and Ms. Danner support the doctrines of manifest destiny exhibited in the Akaka Bill and why should we comply to those doctrines?
Like Dr. Lynette Cruz eloquently stated, face the origin of the facts and discuss it; get that resolved, then think of the Akaka Bill. This roll-over standardized rhetoric of the proponents of the Akaka Bill is seditous at best. Dr. Cruz is trying to open up discussions that they are not willing to face.
Dr. Lynette Cruz is correct; noone wants to face the root of the problem nor discuss it. Mahalo to Dr. Cruz who interjected: "conflict in terms"; "confusion of terms"; "Healthy Hawaiian" (spiritually, physically, mentally, and culturally); "quality of culture"; "land-title problems, everyone in Hawaii are aware of"; "lie-building"; "spiritual well-being"; "common sense to look at everything" to get the broad perspective; to mention a few remarks. These are prominant considerations that the proponents of the Akaka Bill overlook and discard.
The reasoning that the U.S.creates its own myth by foregoing historical facts is evident and therefore, their is no discussion pertaining to it. It is true that with or without the Akaka Bill, it will cost us all the way around. These were important issues that Dr. Cruz brought up; which I know many of us support and have been saying in the past but ignored. They refuse to discuss it.
If we need to have a voice to protect our interests; the Akaka Bill is not the avenue to do it in to be heard. Our strength is being Hawai'i nationals; the true injured party.
Ms. Danner relies on parameters already set which still delegates empowerment to the U.S.A. This is entrapment to commit a fraud. Self-determination is non-existent under the laws of manifest destiny that sponsors the Akaka Bill since it's double-talk within the constraints of U.S. belligerent occupation and American mercurical laws. The myth that native American lands are protected conflict with the Trail of Tears and other displacement of native Americans to lands not wanted by the U.S. unless there are resources within it that it wants.
Ms. Kia'aina and Ms. Danner concerns with establishing precedents when precedents of U.S. involvement began in 1887 and subsequent actions to today. Granted that the kanaka maoli are the most injured party being that its nation is its homeland; but there were a few non-kanaka maoli who were dismissed in this criminal U.S. act. A nation within a nation translates to belligerent occupation no matter how you slice it.
There is an understanding that throughout the U.S. history it changes the rules for its advantage. They continuously circumvent the invasion and belligerent occupation under which the kingdom is enduring; proving that the Kingdom of Hawai'i still exists and that it is still an International issue and not one of indigenous issue. It's still a national issue with us.
Under the Akaka Bill there is no control within their makeshift governing entity that even resembles the true governance in Hawai'i which is the Kingdom of Hawai'i. Under international law, hostile occupation by settlers do not have a vote in the determination of a foreign country. Indigenous versus national has not been considered in the equation. Thus the use of demoralization and fear-mongering is employed by the proponents of the Akaka Bill.
Dr. Lynnette Cruz is correct in knowing that the Akaka Bill is not the panacea that addresses the facts and problems we face but a collapse of true fact-finding. We have to deal with facts, face it, and don't consider we are crazy to disregard what we are saying; but listen to what we are saying.
A big mahalo to Dr. Lynette Cruz for throwing up these issues in their non-academic faces to look at in the equation they insistently refuse to recognize. These are issues that need to be addressed before complying to their manifest destiny doctrines utlilized in the Akaka Bill.
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"Land Trust" organizations is just another word for theft of Hawaiian Lands. Land trust organizations are based on teenage woes, such as suicides, pregnanacies etc. It was actually lands that were crown and switched to ceeded and given in reparations for farming from farming for a certain amount of years the leases turned to fee simple.
One must read Mrs. Clintons dissertation as to how teens were looked at in their congressional minds as a means to garner public monies, today it is about lands acquiring public lands based on teen woes.
These trust lands are tax right offs for corporations. This is done a lot on the mainland specifically near reservations such as Palm Springs.
"...civil laws are based on our customary laws..."
We teach our children about the 1797 splintered paddle from text, but the 'social' part such as the Hawaiian word namely, Mamalahoe and it's true meaning slips through the lesson plans. Regardless the "unlawful occupier" shall not prevail. Thanks for the encouraging words. Kaohi
E pololei 'oe! You are correct that our civil laws are based on our customary laws that are superior to the translations of the unlawful occupier. I love your mana'o and hear what you are saying. I support your efforts on the leeward coast of Waianae ma. I miss our frequent kukakuka we shared he alo a he alo. keep in touch.
"Why do Ms. Kia'aina ...manifest destiny" my concern at this time and what was pre existence was the water rights, as well as, gathering rights. Judge Richadson's court is a natural court. And, Ed Case has tried and will continue to try to debunk the 'natural court'.
I just came from our park in the homestead. Our park is under the city and they (jerks) forbid any fruit tree planting, too much Hawaiian. One of the residence just got through planting a tree and he was watering it. So, I went and had a little talk about how I support the planting. It was in memorial for his mom.
Under Ray Soon directorship of DHHL, his mom was one of those 35 names on the wall at DHHL that was forced to hook up to the sewer. I was told that his mom pays $100 approx. for water and $200 for sewer. I pay $35 because I did not hook up.
Another aspect to this story, in 1998 they signed the contract and was told that they would be reimbursed-- that never happened so I just learned. How Ray Soon threatened the elderly, was with their loss of successorship should they not sign the contract. The cost to hook up was $3,500 and they are still paying $4,000 for their cesspool at 81/2% interest a 30 year loan.
What is so sad, Ray Soon also told our 35 Na Kupunas that if they sign and he has enough signatures that he could go to the Sugar companies that are leaseing DHHL and get revenues from the general fund that they were supposedly be depositing into for their reimbursment. That never happened.
The tree is illegal and maybe taken down according to the park rules. I have already had a confrontation with the association on this issue. So, we'll see what transpires, I'm sure with the power and political games about in the mystical minds, this will not be the end of this story.
What I am working on out here in Waianae, is potted plants with something that has high vitamin C because of the illnesses with the military bombing. These pots will be potted and given away. I am working with Makaha farms.
"A nation within a nation translates to belligerent occupation no matter how you slice it."
Aloha Tani,
I am watching the videos that Pono is putting out and staying on top of the issues. Waianae is the realities of what can happen should the Akaka Bill pass. Not just to Hawaiians but to other communities with multi-ethnic people. The teachers furlough is up coming and we are already strapped economically and to add on NCLB ugh! Most of us out here are looking at 2014 as a means of whole charter schools for Waianae. Take care Kaohi
" We do not want to make the trade...we must be willing in our lifetime to deal with reality. It's not revolution; it's liberation. We want to be free of a value system that's being imposed upon us. We do not want to participate in that value system. We don't want change in the value system. We want to remove it from our lives forever..."We are the people. We have the potential for power. We must not fool ourselves. We must not mislead ourselves. It takes more than good intentions. It takes commitment. It takes recognizing that at some point in our lives we are going to have to decide that we have a way of life that we follow, and we are going to have to live that way of life...That is the only solution there is for us."
Good words to hang ones thinking process for a few moments.
...trade ...reality...it's not a revolution...its liberation...free of value systems (undo)...people...power...fools...commitmet..behavior. John Trudell Vocabulary
Questions:
Hawaiian Subject? National? vs Indigenous? Native Hawaiian? native Hawaiian (my add in)?
The real question(s) are common ground? What is the big if?
More vocab:
"Doctrine of Discovery" and the "Manifest Destiny"
racism, militarism and economic deprivation was always part of humanity's history.
"doctrines of men"
I confess I grew up on Christianity doctrine and continue these beliefs in my behavior, however, I work to compare. so that I maintain my pre-existance. My pre-existence is what I bring to the table.
I promise I will bring genocide and not genesis to the table.
On Sept. 20 I'm not sure if I am able to attend, however, I know these are hot topics to get clear about before that day.
I'd like to see deeper talk and not just pop corn movies, Don Quixote, and hallow/shallow theories that white wash the makaainana from the 'talk story'. 'Vagrancy (bad smell) was the wedge between the doctrine and our peoples true voices. thanks Tane Kaohi
Aloha e Uncle Tane,
This is exactly what our next gathering/roundtable discussion/kukakuka session should FOCUS on, Hawaiian Subject/National vs. Indigenous/Native Hawaiian? To be more specific, what do these two "legal" terms mean? It is vital that we as a "Nationality" of people know what these "legal" terms or labels mean, before subjecting ourself's to them. What do you all think about that? We already have a scheduled rountable discussion date at the Native Book Store, located at the Ward Warehouse in Oahu on September 20th from 3:00pm-5:00pm. Please Maoliworld Ohana, COME!!! We are in a very "pivitol" and "critical" time, in our own history and we all can be participants in making our vision of a "FREE HAWAII a reality.
The "main thing is keeping the main thing the main thing." The main thing right now is for all of us to "lahui", so we can discuss and talk calmly and intelligently to one another, because honestly Ohana, the ball and the mana is really in our hands as a people, who are living, breathing and residing in our own homeland. If we don't come together with the intention to face each other and our different perspectives, then it will take that much longer for us to be able to govern our own selves and the "Nationals" of our great Country.
This is just the beginning of many more gatherings, panel discussions,kukakuka sessions and question & answer periods that must happen now, before it is to late. We all know that all of us individually are on different pages, so to speak, when it comes to the political aspect of our own history and also what is the different approaches and steps we can all take to move forward, so Ko Hawaii Pae Aina can not only be "FREE" from the "Doctrine of Discovery" and the "Manifest Destiny" doctrine that has been influencing the minds of humanity for almost a thousand years now. Of course before this label or concept of the "Doctrine of Discovery" was ever introduced, racism, militarism and economic deprivation was always part of humanity's history.
What we must all face and see is the real "culprit" to all of the "darkness" we see, feel and even taste on a daily basis, and that is these "Doctrines of Men." That is the causal root for many or if not all of the "inhumane", "racist", "false sense of superiority", "genocidal", "oppressed" beliefs and practices that are being displayed throughout the entire four corners of the World and even right here in Hawaii until today. Our task is to irradicate these "Doctrines of Men" that is runninng so prevalent in all of or most of our societies today. I want to make a kahea, (call) to all of you, Maoliworld Ohana, Please respond to this discussion. Make your comments known, so we can face it, talk about it, and go through it together. We can then go to the next question, concern or issue and the next and so forth, until we inevitably can and will be closer to being on the same page with one another. This is how our beloved and precious Country will return. With that i close with a quote from John Trudell, which i believe put everything i said above into perspective. He said:
" We do not want to make the trade...we must be willing in our lifetime to deal with reality. It's not revolution; it's liberation. We want to be free of a value system that's being imposed upon us. We do not want to participate in that value system. We don't want change in the value system. We want to remove it from our lives forever..."We are the people. We have the potential for power. We must not fool ourselves. We must not mislead ourselves. It takes more than good intentions. It takes commitment. It takes recognizing that at some point in our lives we are going to have to decide that we have a way of life that we follow, and we are going to have to live that way of life...That is the only solution there is for us."
A Hui Ho! Malama Pono! Mahalo Nui to all of you and your Ohana,
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One must read Mrs. Clintons dissertation as to how teens were looked at in their congressional minds as a means to garner public monies, today it is about lands acquiring public lands based on teen woes.
These trust lands are tax right offs for corporations. This is done a lot on the mainland specifically near reservations such as Palm Springs.
Kaohi
"...civil laws are based on our customary laws..."
We teach our children about the 1797 splintered paddle from text, but the 'social' part such as the Hawaiian word namely, Mamalahoe and it's true meaning slips through the lesson plans. Regardless the "unlawful occupier" shall not prevail. Thanks for the encouraging words. Kaohi
E pololei 'oe! You are correct that our civil laws are based on our customary laws that are superior to the translations of the unlawful occupier. I love your mana'o and hear what you are saying. I support your efforts on the leeward coast of Waianae ma. I miss our frequent kukakuka we shared he alo a he alo. keep in touch.
Tane
"Why do Ms. Kia'aina ...manifest destiny" my concern at this time and what was pre existence was the water rights, as well as, gathering rights. Judge Richadson's court is a natural court. And, Ed Case has tried and will continue to try to debunk the 'natural court'.
I just came from our park in the homestead. Our park is under the city and they (jerks) forbid any fruit tree planting, too much Hawaiian. One of the residence just got through planting a tree and he was watering it. So, I went and had a little talk about how I support the planting. It was in memorial for his mom.
Under Ray Soon directorship of DHHL, his mom was one of those 35 names on the wall at DHHL that was forced to hook up to the sewer. I was told that his mom pays $100 approx. for water and $200 for sewer. I pay $35 because I did not hook up.
Another aspect to this story, in 1998 they signed the contract and was told that they would be reimbursed-- that never happened so I just learned. How Ray Soon threatened the elderly, was with their loss of successorship should they not sign the contract. The cost to hook up was $3,500 and they are still paying $4,000 for their cesspool at 81/2% interest a 30 year loan.
What is so sad, Ray Soon also told our 35 Na Kupunas that if they sign and he has enough signatures that he could go to the Sugar companies that are leaseing DHHL and get revenues from the general fund that they were supposedly be depositing into for their reimbursment. That never happened.
The tree is illegal and maybe taken down according to the park rules. I have already had a confrontation with the association on this issue. So, we'll see what transpires, I'm sure with the power and political games about in the mystical minds, this will not be the end of this story.
What I am working on out here in Waianae, is potted plants with something that has high vitamin C because of the illnesses with the military bombing. These pots will be potted and given away. I am working with Makaha farms.
"A nation within a nation translates to belligerent occupation no matter how you slice it."
Kaohi
I am watching the videos that Pono is putting out and staying on top of the issues. Waianae is the realities of what can happen should the Akaka Bill pass. Not just to Hawaiians but to other communities with multi-ethnic people. The teachers furlough is up coming and we are already strapped economically and to add on NCLB ugh! Most of us out here are looking at 2014 as a means of whole charter schools for Waianae. Take care Kaohi
You cited:
" We do not want to make the trade...we must be willing in our lifetime to deal with reality. It's not revolution; it's liberation. We want to be free of a value system that's being imposed upon us. We do not want to participate in that value system. We don't want change in the value system. We want to remove it from our lives forever..."We are the people. We have the potential for power. We must not fool ourselves. We must not mislead ourselves. It takes more than good intentions. It takes commitment. It takes recognizing that at some point in our lives we are going to have to decide that we have a way of life that we follow, and we are going to have to live that way of life...That is the only solution there is for us."
Good words to hang ones thinking process for a few moments.
...trade ...reality...it's not a revolution...its liberation...free of value systems (undo)...people...power...fools...commitmet..behavior. John Trudell Vocabulary
Questions:
Hawaiian Subject? National? vs Indigenous? Native Hawaiian? native Hawaiian (my add in)?
The real question(s) are common ground? What is the big if?
More vocab:
"Doctrine of Discovery" and the "Manifest Destiny"
racism, militarism and economic deprivation was always part of humanity's history.
"doctrines of men"
I confess I grew up on Christianity doctrine and continue these beliefs in my behavior, however, I work to compare. so that I maintain my pre-existance. My pre-existence is what I bring to the table.
I promise I will bring genocide and not genesis to the table.
On Sept. 20 I'm not sure if I am able to attend, however, I know these are hot topics to get clear about before that day.
I'd like to see deeper talk and not just pop corn movies, Don Quixote, and hallow/shallow theories that white wash the makaainana from the 'talk story'. 'Vagrancy (bad smell) was the wedge between the doctrine and our peoples true voices. thanks Tane Kaohi
This is exactly what our next gathering/roundtable discussion/kukakuka session should FOCUS on, Hawaiian Subject/National vs. Indigenous/Native Hawaiian? To be more specific, what do these two "legal" terms mean? It is vital that we as a "Nationality" of people know what these "legal" terms or labels mean, before subjecting ourself's to them. What do you all think about that? We already have a scheduled rountable discussion date at the Native Book Store, located at the Ward Warehouse in Oahu on September 20th from 3:00pm-5:00pm. Please Maoliworld Ohana, COME!!! We are in a very "pivitol" and "critical" time, in our own history and we all can be participants in making our vision of a "FREE HAWAII a reality.
The "main thing is keeping the main thing the main thing." The main thing right now is for all of us to "lahui", so we can discuss and talk calmly and intelligently to one another, because honestly Ohana, the ball and the mana is really in our hands as a people, who are living, breathing and residing in our own homeland. If we don't come together with the intention to face each other and our different perspectives, then it will take that much longer for us to be able to govern our own selves and the "Nationals" of our great Country.
This is just the beginning of many more gatherings, panel discussions,kukakuka sessions and question & answer periods that must happen now, before it is to late. We all know that all of us individually are on different pages, so to speak, when it comes to the political aspect of our own history and also what is the different approaches and steps we can all take to move forward, so Ko Hawaii Pae Aina can not only be "FREE" from the "Doctrine of Discovery" and the "Manifest Destiny" doctrine that has been influencing the minds of humanity for almost a thousand years now. Of course before this label or concept of the "Doctrine of Discovery" was ever introduced, racism, militarism and economic deprivation was always part of humanity's history.
What we must all face and see is the real "culprit" to all of the "darkness" we see, feel and even taste on a daily basis, and that is these "Doctrines of Men." That is the causal root for many or if not all of the "inhumane", "racist", "false sense of superiority", "genocidal", "oppressed" beliefs and practices that are being displayed throughout the entire four corners of the World and even right here in Hawaii until today. Our task is to irradicate these "Doctrines of Men" that is runninng so prevalent in all of or most of our societies today. I want to make a kahea, (call) to all of you, Maoliworld Ohana, Please respond to this discussion. Make your comments known, so we can face it, talk about it, and go through it together. We can then go to the next question, concern or issue and the next and so forth, until we inevitably can and will be closer to being on the same page with one another. This is how our beloved and precious Country will return. With that i close with a quote from John Trudell, which i believe put everything i said above into perspective. He said:
" We do not want to make the trade...we must be willing in our lifetime to deal with reality. It's not revolution; it's liberation. We want to be free of a value system that's being imposed upon us. We do not want to participate in that value system. We don't want change in the value system. We want to remove it from our lives forever..."We are the people. We have the potential for power. We must not fool ourselves. We must not mislead ourselves. It takes more than good intentions. It takes commitment. It takes recognizing that at some point in our lives we are going to have to decide that we have a way of life that we follow, and we are going to have to live that way of life...That is the only solution there is for us."
A Hui Ho! Malama Pono! Mahalo Nui to all of you and your Ohana,
Braddah Kaleo